Randomly Dropping Audio / CTD

tpreitzel · Post by **tpreitzel** » Fri Jul 16, 2010 1:27 pm

Now that 1.2 is out, will the issue of randomly dropping audio finally be addressed? Personally, I'm ignoring the stable series until this problem is identified and fixed. I understand that someone is working of revamping OpenAL support in WINE so when will users likely see the fruit of this revamp? This issue of randomly dropping audio with the application then CTD is extremely important. WINE is nearly useless for many applications until this problem is fixed.

DaVince · Post by **DaVince** » Fri Jul 16, 2010 2:38 pm

You mean the reimplementation of the entire audio system in OpenAL, right? I haven't read any news about that since the last WWN (then again, I'm not following any Wine mailing lists). It would be nice to get a little progress update about that here on the forums.

As for "randomly dropping audio", isn't that just a personal problem? I mean, for me, audio either works or it doesn't work, ie. your specific bug exists or doesn't exist for different setups. Of course, it does need to be addressed.

Gert van den Berg · Post by **Gert van den Berg** » Fri Jul 16, 2010 4:28 pm

On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 21:38, DaVince <[email protected]> wrote:

As for "randomly dropping audio", isn't that just a personal problem? I mean, for me, audio either works or it doesn't work, ie. your specific bug exists or doesn't exist for different setups. Of course, it does need to be addressed.

In my case stuttering audio is usually fixable by killing pulseaudio
and letting it restart... (Ubuntu seem to do that. when it is killed.)
(It might be neccessary to restart all apps using audio as well)

Gert

Post by **dimesio** » Fri Jul 16, 2010 6:45 pm

tpreitzel wrote:This issue of randomly dropping audio with the application then CTD is extremely important. WINE is nearly useless for many applications until this problem is fixed.

Bug number?

tpreitzel · Post by **tpreitzel** » Fri Jul 16, 2010 7:26 pm

dimesio wrote:
tpreitzel wrote:This issue of randomly dropping audio with the application then CTD is extremely important. WINE is nearly useless for many applications until this problem is fixed.
Bug number?

TBH, I decided not to file a bug. Developers seemed hell-bent on delivering a defective stable version of WINE so I just decided to let them.

tpreitzel · Post by **tpreitzel** » Fri Jul 16, 2010 7:29 pm

DaVince wrote:You mean the reimplementation of the entire audio system in OpenAL, right? I haven't read any news about that since the last WWN (then again, I'm not following any Wine mailing lists). It would be nice to get a little progress update about that here on the forums.

As for "randomly dropping audio", isn't that just a personal problem? I mean, for me, audio either works or it doesn't work, ie. your specific bug exists or doesn't exist for different setups. Of course, it does need to be addressed.

Personal, I doubt it. I've noticed several cases of the same problem just casually browsing the forum. Although obviously related, all cases were on different hardware with different operating systems and running different applications.

Yes, I mean the reimplementation of the entire audio system in OpenAL. Something is seriously broken with the audio system in WINE.

ryan woodsmall · Post by **ryan woodsmall** » Fri Jul 16, 2010 7:55 pm

TBH, I decided not to file a bug. Developers seemed hell-bent on delivering a defective stable version of WINE so I just decided to let them.

I've compiled and run all of the 1.2 RCs on CentOS (OSS, Alsa), Fedora (PulseAudio) and Mac OS X (Core Audio) and have experienced sound dropouts exactly never. This is not a problem endemic to Wine as you're attesting to.

If you can't be bothered to file a bug report, don't expect anyone to bother fixing - or to even consider - your bug. While I'm not a developer, I can say without a doubt that no one is hell-bent on delivering sub-standard/defective releases. The burden of proof that this is a Wine bug and not a problem with a certain subset of misconfigured or otherwise broken systems lies with you. If you're so convinced that it's a huge bug that nobody is bothering with, file a bug report. Otherwise drop it.

Post by **dimesio** » Fri Jul 16, 2010 8:05 pm

tpreitzel wrote: Personal, I doubt it. I've noticed several cases of the same problem just casually browsing the forum. Although obviously related, all cases were on different hardware with different operating systems and running different applications.

Funny, because I read the forum more than casually, and all I've seen is you intruding on other people's threads with the claim that this is a widespread, known problem.

When sound was broken in the Ubuntu 1.2-rc7 package, three bugs were filed about it within hours, with multiple other people confirming. No one has filed a bug about this problem you claim is widespread--not even you.

DaVince · Post by **DaVince** » Sat Jul 17, 2010 6:40 am

By the way, was the new sound system implemented yet? Because if it isn't, it might provide certain, er, salvation.

Post by **dimesio** » Sat Jul 17, 2010 9:07 am

DaVince wrote:By the way, was the new sound system implemented yet? Because if it isn't, it might provide certain, er, salvation.

All I know about it is what was in the last WWN: http://www.winehq.org/wwn/362#Wine%20so ... g%20OpenAL

The code freeze started shortly after that issue; no new features were added during that time.

James McKenzie · Post by **James McKenzie** » Sat Jul 17, 2010 8:30 pm

tpreitzel wrote:

DaVince wrote:

You mean the reimplementation of the entire audio system in OpenAL, right? I haven't read any news about that since the last WWN (then again, I'm not following any Wine mailing lists). It would be nice to get a little progress update about that here on the forums.

As for "randomly dropping audio", isn't that just a personal problem? I mean, for me, audio either works or it doesn't work, ie. your specific bug exists or doesn't exist for different setups. Of course, it does need to be addressed.

Personal, I doubt it. I've noticed several cases of the same problem just casually browsing the forum. Although obviously related, all cases were on different hardware with different operating systems and running different applications.

All were related, if I remember correctly, to a problem in the Linux
Kernel. Not a whole lot that the Wine project can do to fix a stuffed
kernel.

Also, the number of sound problems encountered on my Intel Mac is
exactly ZERO that I have not caused myself. Of course the Mac is smart
enough no to use a broken sound system, either.

Yes, I mean the reimplementation of the entire audio system in OpenAL. Something is seriously broken with the audio system in WINE.

OpenAL support is a WIP and was suspended for the code freeze. Not all
of it was implemented and if you are using Linux, probably not at all.

Again, the studdering/crashing was and still is not a Wine issue. You
need to visit Bugzilla more often.

James McKenzie

DaVince · Post by **DaVince** » Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:11 pm

dimesio wrote:
DaVince wrote:By the way, was the new sound system implemented yet? Because if it isn't, it might provide certain, er, salvation.
All I know about it is what was in the last WWN: http://www.winehq.org/wwn/362#Wine%20so ... g%20OpenAL

The code freeze started shortly after that issue; no new features were added during that time.

I knew about the WWN (mentioned that in my first reply), I was just wondering if anyone behind the scenes was aware about it. I'll just assume the developer behind it has been working on it and maybe we'll see something cool submitted soon. It sounded really promising to me.