Game is slower 2x than on Windows

[Mitar]

Game named Istaria: Chronicles of the Gifted ( MMO ) is slower
on ANY linux and ANY wine version exactly 2 times .
For example on Windows I have 40 fps and in same place 20 fps on wine,
20 fps in Windows and ~10 fps on linux.
I was trying lot of "wine tricks" without any effect.
I have also installed the most up to date Nvidia drivers.
also in console wine is throwing TONS of :

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fixme:d3d:state_swvp Software vertex processing not implemented.

It don't helps if I redirect stderr and stdout to /dev/null
Except low fps I have mouse problems - rotating camera using mouse is not smoothly it is sometimes slower and sometimes faster - it's "flickering".
Only becouse of this game I am forced to sit on Windows :/
I am open to any suggestions.

My hardware ( notebook ) is :
Core 2 Duo @ 2.0Ghz
4 GB DDR2
Nvidia Geforce 9300M G

[jordan johnston]

Hey Mitar,

on ANY linux and ANY wine version exactly 2 times .
For example on Windows I have 40 fps and in same place 20 fps on wine,
20 fps in Windows and ~10 fps on linux.
I was trying lot of "wine tricks" without any effect.
I have also installed the most up to date Nvidia drivers.
also in console wine is throwing TONS of :

Code:
fixme:d3d:state_swvp Software vertex processing not implemented.

That looks like something graphically, that is not used by wine. I'm
sure you got that impression too, though.

It don't helps if I redirect stderr and stdout to /dev/null
Except low fps I have mouse problems - rotating camera using mouse is not smoothly it is sometimes slower and sometimes faster - it's "flickering".
Only becouse of this game I am forced to sit on Windows :/
I am open to any suggestions.

Have you checked out the "useful wine registry keys"????

http://wiki.winehq.org/UsefulRegistryKeys

there is probably some useful tweaks in there for you. I utilize a
few, but my focus isn't gaming. Read through the page though. I see
there are tweaks for graphics cards.

I believe if you google a bit, you can also find a post in the ubuntu
forums, that is all about "wine and gaming".
The writer of that page, offers some good tips for gaming in wine,
tutorials and just good tricks in general...
there are also tweaks for Nvidia cards in linux, that might improve
your performance, as well. Most of these, would be tweaks in Xorg.

jordan

[dimesio]

also in console wine is throwing TONS of :

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fixme:d3d:state_swvp Software vertex processing not implemented.

You might be able to speed things up a bit by turning off all messages with WINEDEBUG=-all.

[Mitar]

Thanks for tips tho ...
I was trying ALL these ( to increase fps ) ...
I posted on forums here , when was out of options.
Was also trying CrossOver Games but had same fps as on normal wine.
So I think will have to unfortunely agree that :

Windows games works the best on Windows ...

[Warren Dumortier]

The game imrpovement always improve with time on Wine, lot of games even
recent ones work very well on Wine.
Did you try to configure the graphics settings, maybe some effect causes
lag.
I can try it on my computer and report if you want!
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[Mitar]

The game imrpovement always improve with time on Wine, lot of games even
recent ones work very well on Wine.
Did you try to configure the graphics settings, maybe some effect causes
lag.
I can try it on my computer and report if you want!

heh , yea wine gets improved with time just this is old game and not much ppl playing it so chance that wine devs will improve it is very low.
Sure you can try , there is demo account in Istaria for free.

[jordan johnston]

Hi Mitar,

Thanks for tips tho ...
I was trying ALL these ( to increase fps ) ...
I posted on forums here , when was out of options.
Was also trying CrossOver Games but had same fps as on normal wine.
So I think will have to unfortunely agree that :

Windows games works the best on Windows ...

I wouldn't expect crossover to perform better than wine, with tweaking
i would actually think (depending)
that you might get better performance out of wine. Wine has newer bug
fixes, and supports as much or more software than CX. as wine is
developed faster than CX.

I think CrossOver, just makes installing certain software easier, and
the apps are handled slightly differently.
I bought it a couple of years ago for Mac. I now use wine on my Mac,
and of course, on all of my linux machines.

Some games, you should be able to get "decent" FPS out of them. But,
by decent, i still mean slower than windows. decent = 15% loss in FPS.

I use wine for pro-audio stuff. this is lucky for me, as it works very
well. but, if i was a gamer, i would have a hard time swallowing the
15-30% loss in graphic acceleration. Native Linux games are much
faster, and there are far better tweaks for linux, if your focus is
gaming. We just need to see that market expand, and good titles being
available for linux.

jordan

[Mitar]

Some games, you should be able to get "decent" FPS out of them. But,
by decent, i still mean slower than windows. decent = 15% loss in FPS.

I use wine for pro-audio stuff. this is lucky for me, as it works very
well. but, if i was a gamer, i would have a hard time swallowing the
15-30% loss in graphic acceleration.

jordan

heh for Istaria and Linux it is 50-60 % performance decrease ...

[James Mckenzie]

Mitar <[email protected]> wrote:

Sent: Aug 19, 2010 7:30 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Wine] Re: Game is slower 2x than on Windows


jordan johnston wrote:

Some games, you should be able to get "decent" FPS out of them. But,
by decent, i still mean slower than windows. decent = 15% loss in FPS.

I use wine for pro-audio stuff. this is lucky for me, as it works very
well. but, if i was a gamer, i would have a hard time swallowing the
15-30% loss in graphic acceleration.

heh for Istaria and Linux it is 50-60 % performance decrease ...

There are games that actually run BETTER under Linux/Wine and there are games that don't run at all.

If the game you are playing has an opengl option, use it. Performance will be better.

If the game you are playing uses only DirectX, performance will suffer until a DirectX engine for Linux is developed (and I really don't expect that anytime soon.) Otherwise, all DirectX calls have to be translated into opengl calls, passed to the OpenGL engine of your video card and then put on the screen. This takes time and depending on video card drivers and GPU, lots of time and resources. Right now nVidia seems to have the best drivers and GPU combination. Intel the worst (and their GPUs are not 'gamer' material anyway.) So, performance will suffer and your fps and detail levels will have to drop, for now.

In most cases, gamers are happy that their favorite game will run in Linux/Wine AT ALL. Performance will improve over time as more and more features are added and code is enhanced/improved.

James McKenzie

[TUA85550]

@James Mckenzie

I noticed you mentioned Intel and Nvidia, what about ATI? How do the drivers & performance compare on ATI graphics cards?

[James Mckenzie]

TUA85550 <[email protected]> wrote:

Sent: Aug 19, 2010 11:16 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Wine] Re: Game is slower 2x than on Windows

@James Mckenzie

I noticed you mentioned Intel and Nvidia, what about ATI? How do the drivers & performance compare on ATI
graphics cards?

Same as the others, better than Intel, worse than nVidia. The good part is that there are several projects working on the publically available information and AMD/ATI actually had or has a presence here. I've read mixed reports on the latest Catalyst drivers (10.7). I know that I should work more on this with the older model cards (Rage Mobility.)

One item I will mention is that one really, really good video card may be really, really bad in another machine/Linux combination. I would NEVER buy a video card for use with Linux without a 100% money back policy. Of course, the local computer shop really does not want to do this, but maybe they will test it for you before selling it to you. Remember, someone has to pick up the repackaging costs somewhere.

James McKenzie

[TUA85550]

I have an ATI HD5730 graphics card. Since this graphics card has OpenGL® 3.2 support as well as DirectX® 11 support, does this mean it might run better than an Nvida Graphics card that only has lets say OpenGL® 2.1/Directx® 10 support?

[TUA85550]

I meant to say I have an ATI HD5830 (not ATI HD5730)

[James Mckenzie]

TUA85550 <[email protected]> wrote:

Sent: Aug 19, 2010 11:57 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Wine] Re: Game is slower 2x than on Windows

I have an ATI HD5730 graphics card. Since this graphics card has OpenGL® 3.2 support as well as DirectX® 11
support, does this mean it might run better than an Nvida Graphics card that only has lets say OpenGL®
2.1/Directx® 10 support?

Yes and no. Even though the box says that, look at what it supports under Linux. If it supports OpenGL in hardware, than that has to be built into the Linux drivers so that the video card's GPU is doing the work and not the mainboard's CPU. This would be a great improvement over current open-source drivers (you listening AMD/ATI?)

Again, nVidia has the best Linux drivers for all of their product line, AMD/ATI is next and Intel last (and it may not be the quality of the drivers in the last case, it may be the low quality of the graphics chipset/GPU).

James McKenzie

[DL]

CPU performance is also VERY important with regard to wine performance. If you have a weak CPU, you should consider overclocking it or buying a faster one.

[DL]

Just to add to the above post. I'm talking about single core performance not dual/quad core performance. So upgrading to a quad core that has the same single core performance will not help.

[TUA85550]

CPU performance is also VERY important with regard to wine performance. If you have a weak CPU, you should consider overclocking it or buying a faster one.

I have an AMD Phenom II x4 @ 3.2Ghz

Will wine take advantage of all four cores?

[James McKenzie]

TUA85550 wrote:

DL wrote:

CPU performance is also VERY important with regard to wine performance. If you have a weak CPU, you should consider overclocking it or buying a faster one.

I have an AMD Phenom II x4 @ 3.2Ghz

Will wine take advantage of all four cores?

Depends. If the program supports multi-threading, then it should, but
may not.

James McKenzie