the new wine

[aleronlegion6]

how much would it cost for wine to support all windows apps

[Sam Fourman Jr.]

On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 7:32 PM, aleronlegion6
<[email protected]> wrote:

how much would it cost for wine to support all windows apps

are you planning on making a donation to the wine project?

Sam Fourman Jr.

[aleronlegion6]

lol not right now i just wanna know an estimation for i could start saving up

[John Drescher]

On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 9:19 PM, aleronlegion6
<[email protected]> wrote:

lol not right now i just wanna know an estimation for i could start saving up

Unless you are a billionaire this is plain nuts. I mean it will take
millions of dollars pay for 75% support.

John

[James McKenzie]

aleronlegion6 wrote:

lol not right now i just wanna know an estimation for i could start saving up

Let's be realistic. You say 'how much'. Look at Microsoft and get a
feel for how much they spent to make the original.

Now, let's say you want an application supported, like WoW or simular.
I say 'buy Crossover' or 'Crossover Games'. Why? Because CodeWeavers
supplies a lot of the code for Wine. They do a really good job and
Crossover supports many of the productivity applications, and a few
early Windows Games (like dOOm) very well. Crossover Games does a very
good job of supporting later games.

Now, if you want to donate directly to Wine, visit the web page, click
on the Donate link/button and go from there.

You can also support Wine by giving of your time. Look at the
unconfirmed bug reports and work with them. Vote on bug that affects
your favorite program after confirming it exists on your system.
Lastly, if you are a programmer and have not read through any of the
Windows code, then you can help by programming to fix a bug or two.

James McKenzie

[aleronlegion6]

how many developers are even working on this project 6

[John Drescher]

On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 9:53 PM, aleronlegion6
<[email protected]> wrote:

how many developers are even working on this project 6

There are more than 6 but from the numbers I hope you understand the
scope of the task. A few developers are trying to recreate what
Microsoft has had 1000s of developers per year for the last 20+ years
and has spent 10s of billions of dollars in the process.

John

[aleronlegion6]

who cares how much money microsoft spend windows sucks all they really managed to create was a really buggy operating system thats vulnerable to any attack all the community wants is for wine to support cross windows apps were not talking here about recreating the thing i hate windows thats why i migrated to linux and i really love it and like all linux users i really want it to support many of the windows apps i offenly use and thats all

[Daniel Kasak]

On Thu, 2009-02-26 at 21:34 -0600, aleronlegion6 wrote:

who cares how much money microsoft spend windows sucks all they really
managed to create was a really buggy operating system thats vulnerable
to any attack all the community wants is for wine to support cross
windows apps were not talking here about recreating the thing i hate
windows thats why i migrated to linux and i really love it and like
all linux users i really want it to support many of the windows apps i
offenly use and thats all

'like all linux users'? Well personally I don't care that I can't run
Windows apps, as everything I want is already ( OK, almost ) covered by
open-source stuff. There are some esoteric things like video decoders /
encoders ( MTS format for my HD camcorder ) that I'm currently playing
with wine for. But I think there's quite a contradiction in migrating to
Linux and then asking for 100% Windows application support. You do use
*some* native linux apps, right?

Dan

[evride]

in the perfect world there shouldn't be a "Windows" app or a "Linux" app or a "Mac" app. Every app and game should be cross platform.

[James Mckenzie]

leronlegion6 <[email protected]> wrote on Feb 26th:

who cares how much money microsoft spend

Many people do care about how much this company spends. Look at the Courts of the EU and USA for examples.

windows sucks

That is YOUR opinion. I happen to have been around BEFORE Windows when being a computer wiz meant knowing ALL of the command line options to Lotus 1-2-3. Windows made computers available to just about anyone. Ask most people what they thing of Linux and they say it is way to hard to use and it is a niche product that is going nowhere. Thus, companies adopt what is popular and so do governments. When they move away from Windows, then and only then will we see an increase in the use of other operating systems and products being produced for them.

all they really managed to create was a really buggy operating system.

This is where I LOVE MacOSX because Apple decided to end support of legacy programs. If Microsoft adopted the same attitude some of the problems would go away. Unfortunately for them, this would also expose how bad the system is and people might leave in large numbers. There is a bug in the current Windows Vista that I found in MS-DOS 3.1. Why? Because of legacy program support that has to exist in Windows. Drop that, and the bug goes away. The same can be said for Linux, bugs have existed for a long time. You just have not run into any of them, yet.

thats vulnerable to any attack

So is any operating system. Linux has known vulnerabilities, MacOSX has them, Open and Free BSD has them. Just is they are not popular. Launch an attack against Windows, and you have 90%+ of the computers at your demand. Launch an attack against Linux, and you just hit .6% or less. MacOSX is somewhere in between. Remember, the folks who are doing this are not trying to change your operating system, just get their names in lights. Sort of why terrorists 'do their thing'.

all the community wants is for wine to support cross windows apps

And that is the goal of this project. Replicate the Windows 32 API, BUGS AND ALL. If it's broken in the API, it will be broken in Wine. Why? Because programs rely on and compensate for Windows brokeness. Sorry, them's the fact.

i really want it to support many of the windows apps i offenly use and thats all

I don't. I want to see the ability of company's to make a financial decision to support Linux/UNIX. In the meantime, I would like to have the ability to run some, but not all, Windows programs on my Mac. The goal is to be able to run the most popular programs on these platforms that will NEVER be ported to it. I run a particular Bible program, e-Sword, that Mike Meyers stated will NEVER be produced for the Mac nor Linux. So, I have Wine for that purpose. Other program producers have stated the intent to support Linux and the Mac. Do I test them on Wine? No, I'm not going to waste my time doing so.

Please be aware of the scope of this project and that most of the support is completely volunteer, that is folks giving of a valuable asset: time. Money will NOT add to or remove any of that.

James McKenzie

[David Gerard]

2009/2/27 aleronlegion6 <[email protected]>:

how much would it cost for wine to support all windows apps

http://www.ohloh.net/p/wine estimates it's been 504 person-years so
far for Wine, or about US$27 million of effort.

So double that and we should have it perfect


- d.