Buildung Wine on OS X

Sheva · Post by **Sheva** » Sun Jul 17, 2011 12:54 pm

Hi folks out there,
I'm new to this project but very keen on more information. The reason I want to have Wine, is because I want to get "Klingon Academy" on OS X. On every Windows Revision above Win 98 the game fails, so I thought: "Why not do it the other way around and try Wine?"

So, here I am. And after the first look into the Wiki page, I was VERY confused on how I should do it. I've build a few programs up until now, but this help just confuses me.

I've grabbed the source code and installed xquartz new, those point were clear. But the rest...

When I want to build wine from scratch, I need Fink. Okay, after a while, I have installed Fink and I sit there and ask myself:
- Which libs do I exactly need
- How do I get them to be acknowledged when building wine
- What other things do I have to look for, before/after building

Is there a tutorial or can somebody help me a little out?

Specs:
OS X 10.6.8
I have a 32 bit CPU, 2 GB of RAM and an ATI X1600.

Thanks in advance,
Sheva

jjmckenzie · Post by **jjmckenzie** » Sun Jul 17, 2011 1:12 pm

On 7/17/11 10:54 AM, Sheva wrote:

Hi folks out there,
I'm new to this project but very keen on more information. The reason I want to have Wine, is because I want to get "Klingon Academy" on OS X. On every Windows Revision above Win 98 the game fails, so I thought: "Why not do it the other way around and try Wine?"

So, here I am. And after the first look into the Wiki page, I was VERY confused on how I should do it. I've build a few programs up until now, but this help just confuses me.

I've grabbed the source code and installed xquartz new, those point were clear. But the rest...

You might be better off Googling for the osxwinebuilder script and using
that to build and install wine with.

If you do not feel comfortable using UNIX shell scripts, then try either
MacPorts or Fink. Both have Wine as an installable product and
build/create/retrieve all of the required dependencies for you.

James

Sheva · Post by **Sheva** » Sun Jul 17, 2011 1:34 pm

Okay, it is building right now. THX.

perryh · Post by **perryh** » Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:11 am

"Sheva" <[email protected]> wrote:

... I want to get "Klingon Academy" on OS X. On every Windows
Revision above Win 98 the game fails, so I thought: "Why not
do it the other way around and try Wine?"

...

I have a 32 bit CPU, 2 GB of RAM and an ATI X1600.

Be aware that, in general, ATI cards tend not to work as well with
Wine as Nvidia, due to driver issues (although this may be less of
a problem on OS X than on Linux). The worst problems are with 3D
support, which probably won't be a factor in a game old enough to
require Win 98; OTOH needing an "old" Windows version suggests it
may be a 16-bit program and many of those don't work all that well
in Wine regardless of which video card you have.

doh123 · Post by **doh123** » Mon Jul 18, 2011 8:21 am

While in general there is less of a problem with ATI GPUs in OSX than with Linux, there are still more issues with them. In fact my Intel HD 3000 has less issues than my ATI.. as it takes just about everything thrown at it which is a big change for Intel.

That said... the Radeon X1600 drivers in Mac OS X are horrid, and have many issues even running native OpenGL apps that work on all other ATi cards fine... so expect problems.

Sheva · Post by **Sheva** » Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:34 pm

A already have issues, for example full screen resolution or loading textures. Also I have a few problems on running the game start. It wants to have "CD 2", but it is already launched and in listed in the preferences as mounted drive...

Its not so easy to get it up. Yesterday it recognized the "CD 2" as mounted drive and run, but today it doesnt.

I really like that game and tried to let it run under a VM, but I got CTDs after a few minuted, so I was willing to try WINE. Not easy...

I also think, that this game is kind of a 16-bit thing (I remember to have read something somewhere about that) but I dont know, what consequences will result out of this.

It would be pretty neat, if Klingon Academy would run "platinum" on Wine.

Would it run better under Linux (for example Ubuntu)? I have plans to build a new machine later and get away from the bitterness of Steves evangelistic religion which somewhat gives me the creeps. It would be the upcoming bulldozer CPU with the upcoming Radeon 7k series... Is AMD supporting good drivers for Linux/Wine/etc ?

doh123 · Post by **doh123** » Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:16 pm

Sheva wrote:A already have issues, for example full screen resolution or loading textures. Also I have a few problems on running the game start. It wants to have "CD 2", but it is already launched and in listed in the preferences as mounted drive...

Its not so easy to get it up. Yesterday it recognized the "CD 2" as mounted drive and run, but today it doesnt.

I really like that game and tried to let it run under a VM, but I got CTDs after a few minuted, so I was willing to try WINE. Not easy...

I also think, that this game is kind of a 16-bit thing (I remember to have read something somewhere about that) but I dont know, what consequences will result out of this.

It would be pretty neat, if Klingon Academy would run "platinum" on Wine.
Would it run better under Linux (for example Ubuntu)? I have plans to build a new machine later and get away from the bitterness of Steves evangelistic religion which somewhat gives me the creeps. It would be the upcoming bulldozer CPU with the upcoming Radeon 7k series... Is AMD supporting good drivers for Linux/Wine/etc ?

Well I haven't ever played Klingon Academy, but I know there are unofficial ports floating around for it... including a Wineskin one over at portingteam.com.

If you want to use Wine for gaming on Linux, you are MUCH better off using an nvidia GPU... ATI/AMD GPUs will be more problematic.

Sheva · Post by **Sheva** » Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:35 pm

Great... I'm testing it

Thanks

jjmckenzie · Post by **jjmckenzie** » Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:51 pm

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 2:16 PM, doh123 <[email protected]> wrote:

Sheva wrote:
A already have issues, for example full screen resolution or loading textures. Also I have a few problems on running the
game start. It wants to have "CD 2", but it is already launched and in listed in the preferences as mounted drive...

Its not so easy to get it up. Yesterday it recognized the "CD 2" as mounted drive and run, but today it doesnt. :?

I really like that game and tried to let it run under a VM, but I got CTDs after a few minuted, so I was willing to try WINE.
Not easy...

I also think, that this game is kind of a 16-bit thing (I remember to have read something somewhere about that) but I dont
know, what consequences will result out of this.

It would be pretty neat, if Klingon Academy would run "platinum" on Wine. [Wink]
Would it run better under Linux (for example Ubuntu)? I have plans to build a new machine later and get away from the
bitterness of Steves evangelistic religion which somewhat gives me the creeps. It would be the upcoming bulldozer CPU
with the upcoming Radeon 7k series... Is AMD supporting good drivers for Linux/Wine/etc ?
Well I haven't ever played Klingon Academy, but I know there are unofficial ports floating around for it... including a Wineskin
one over at portingteam.com.

If you want to use Wine for gaming on Linux, you are MUCH better off using an nvidia GPU... ATI/AMD GPUs will be more
problematic.

Not to mention that anything that wants to use 3D functions is
basically broken on any of the Intel GPUs. Yes, a late model nVidia
is the only way to go with any of the recent Linux distribution
releases.

Some of the problems encountered by AMD/ATI GPU users are not present
on Macs. However, load up Linux and they are right back.
Unfortunately, Mac buyers don't have much of a choice when they buy a
'pre-built' system like a MacBook or an iMac.

James

Sheva · Post by **Sheva** » Mon Jul 18, 2011 5:29 pm

Okay, I've tested it with Wineskin and it runs... but again the mounted image is not recognized. (But showed up) :-/

I've named the disc KA_2 (for klingon academy cd 2). May it be the case, that the game wants to have a specific name for the CD and wont recognize other names than the "original"?

I have the original CDs here, but it doesnt makes any sense to put it into my drive when I have .iso images of them (plus, they only contain movies and I thought about creating a folder so that the game goes directly into the folder instead of searching the drives for them)

I think thats the border-line for me here, cause I'm not very into debugging and modding of game-files.
(I try to change the 'movie-path' now... maybe this will do the trick)

doh123 · Post by **doh123** » Mon Jul 18, 2011 5:58 pm

Sheva wrote:Okay, I've tested it with Wineskin and it runs... but again the mounted image is not recognized. (But showed up) :-/

I've named the disc KA_2 (for klingon academy cd 2). May it be the case, that the game wants to have a specific name for the CD and wont recognize other names than the "original"?

I have the original CDs here, but it doesnt makes any sense to put it into my drive when I have .iso images of them (plus, they only contain movies and I thought about creating a folder so that the game goes directly into the folder instead of searching the drives for them)

I think thats the border-line for me here, cause I'm not very into debugging and modding of game-files.
(I try to change the 'movie-path' now... maybe this will do the trick)

Getting the ISO to mount right where it recognizes it usually does need the right name, and the same it was installed from. It also doesn't always work. Getting these to automount in Wineskin is possible, but it will take a lot of trial and error... me, when I run into these I just try to use a no-cd hack... which I see some available for Klingon Academy, which would allow it to work and not look for discs at all. Of course as a disclaimer, those cracks are not legal in every part of the world.

Sheva · Post by **Sheva** » Mon Jul 18, 2011 6:25 pm

I got it around with editing the movie-path. I copied the movies into an additional folder, edited the path and it just worked.

So no need of cracks.

The only two things left, which are a little broken:
- hardware-accelerated mouse-recognition (the mouse is really slow and unresponitive)
- loading off all textures. I may live without them to play the game. But empty space that is firing photons looks a little funny

At least, it works.
Thanks a lot.