Modeling software

[Gonzalo_VC]

Friends, I use an ecological modeling free tool called Ecopath with Ecosim (www.ecopath.org). it was written many years ago in Basic, then grow in VisualBasic, and it is tied to window$, unfortunately, eventhoug is open source, too.
In MacOS, people is using a MONO stuff to run it. But in GNU/Linux, I would love to run it in WINE!

The requirements for that program are for the present version (6.x):
Windows XP Service Pack 3, Windows Vista, Windows 7 Service Pack 1, Windows 8
Microsoft .NET framework 4.0
Office 2007/2010 or Office 2007 database drivers

Can this be worked out in WINE? How can one proceed to have this program running fine in Linux?

Thank you in advance!

[oiaohm]

Gonzalo_VC if OS X people are having success running it in Mono I would say attempt the same under Linux.

Running in wine it might or might not work. Installing .net in wine is not friendly.

https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager. ... &iId=17886 for .net 4.0

Office 2007/2010 or Office 2007 database drivers this is fairly vague. Is this jet4.0 I would guess so
http://wiki.winehq.org/NativeOdbc

Gonzalo_VC I don't know if it will work but that should be the max extras to add to wine. Mind you if this works it should also work with wine under OS X.

[Gonzalo_VC]

Of course!
I prefer WINE 10000 times over any other stuff, specially some dark proprietary or at least not truly FLOSS app like Mono.
I really want this tool to run in my GNU/Linux machines, under WINE.

[dimesio]

I downloaded the app. It installs without any overrides, but fails to start with wine-mono. Installing dotnet40 with winetricks allows it to start. It also needs winetricks mdac58 and jet40 to open a database.

I prefer WINE 10000 times over any other stuff, specially some dark proprietary or at least not truly FLOSS app like Mono.

At present this app will not work in Wine without installing "dark proprietary" packages downloaded from Microsoft. But even if it did work out of the box, wine-mono is simply a customized version of Mono, so if you have philosophical objections to Mono, they would apply to wine-mono, too.

[Gonzalo_VC]

I downloaded the app. It installs without any overrides, but fails to start with wine-mono. Installing dotnet40 with winetricks allows it to start. It also needs winetricks mdac58 and jet40 to open a database.

OK!
Sadly that "free and open software" still need cr@p to run. But "in a sand-box" od Wine, inside GNU/Linux, will be contained

I prefer WINE 10000 times over any other stuff, specially some dark proprietary or at least not truly FLOSS app like Mono.

At present this app will not work in Wine without installing "dark proprietary" packages downloaded from Microsoft. But even if it did work out of the box, wine-mono is simply a customized version of Mono, so if you have philosophical objections to Mono, they would apply to wine-mono, too.

Wait a minute, isn't WINE "WINE" something very different from Mono?

[dimesio]

Wine is not a sandbox. Wine-mono is Mono plus some other things needed to make it work with Wine.

[Gonzalo_VC]

Wine is not a sandbox. Wine-mono is Mono plus some other things needed to make it work with Wine.

Oh, I see (sorry for my ignorance about the Mono - Wine connection).
When I said WINE was a "sandbox" I didn't mean it in a literal informatical way, just a figure of speaking. A virtualbox machine would be that, Wine not. I know.

Anyway, according to people that is programing this modeling package (Ecopath started as a simple basic routine 25 year ago, now is a monster program with many modules Ecopath with Ecosim (EwE)), it is like this, now:

The state of EwE and other operating systems:

The EwE core is MONO-compliant, which allows the EwE computational core to run on Linux and Unix via the MONO runtime environment. WINE also demands full MONO compliance, although we have not yet tried to run on WINE;

The EwE user interface is largely MONO compliant. We need to replace Windows ties with other logic, and this will take 2 to 4 man-months of work to complete;

The EwE data base system is not MONO compliant. It is still based on Microsoft Access which prohibits running on any other OS than Windows. The amount of time to fix this depends largely on what file system we want to move to: XML? mysql lite? Other?

I hope we can manage, with time, to make this run inside WINE - GNU/Linux.
Let's keep trying to workaround the problem THANKS!

[dimesio]

FYI, I've added an AppDB entry for Ecosim with Ecopath, http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.p ... &iId=29945. I'm not familiar with the app, so my test report was very limited. It would be helpful if you could file a report based on a more thorough test.

[Gonzalo_VC]

FYI, I've added an AppDB entry for Ecosim with Ecopath, http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.p ... &iId=29945. I'm not familiar with the app, so my test report was very limited. It would be helpful if you could file a report based on a more thorough test.

I'll do what I can to help
Cheers!