Which Wine Download?

stevecarter · Post by **stevecarter** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:20 am

Hi,

Which of the various Wine downloads on the download page should I get for PCLinuxOS?

Thanks.

Stephen Carter

Zac Brown · Post by **Zac Brown** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:25 am

Hi,

If PCLinuxOS is still building their work off of Mandriva, then you could
probably get away with using the Mandriva 2008 binary. No guarantees there, but
if its still the case, it *should* work.

However, also building and installing from source would work.

-Zac

stevecarter wrote:

Hi,

Which of the various Wine downloads on the download page should I get for PCLinuxOS?

Thanks.

Stephen Carter

stevecarter · Post by **stevecarter** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:32 am

Zac Brown wrote:
However, also building and installing from source would work.

Zac,

Thanks for your speedy reply.

However, for a very newcomer to Linux, I have to confess that I would not have the foggiest how to build and install anything from source.

I am not even sure I understand what all that means!

Peace and all good,

Stephen Carter

Zac Brown · Post by **Zac Brown** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:39 am

In this case, to play it safe, it looks like PCLinuxOS has their own version of
wine built and ready. It won't be the most recent version but it'll be a working
version of wine that you can install with minimal friction.

Open the package manager, Synaptic, and search for Wine. For more specifics on
this, you'll need to consult either their forums, the linuxquestions.org forums,
their mailing lists, or irc.

I don't know the ins and outs of PCLinuxOS so beyond telling you that you can
find it in the package manager (Synaptic), I can't give much more advice.

-Zac

stevecarter wrote:

Zac Brown wrote:
However, also building and installing from source would work.

Zac,

Thanks for your speedy reply.

However, for a very newcomer to Linux, I have to confess that I would not have the foggiest how to build and install anything from source.

I am not even sure I understand what all that means!

Peace and all good,

Stephen Carter

stevecarter · Post by **stevecarter** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:49 am

Zac Brown wrote: In this case, to play it safe, it looks like PCLinuxOS has their own version of
wine built and ready. It won't be the most recent version but it'll be a working
version of wine that you can install with minimal friction.

Zac,

Yes indeed. Their version is 0.9.58 and, as far as I can tell, there is no support for Windows programs that need .NET framework present.

This was the (unstated) reason behind my original request.

Hey, ho - you can't win 'em all!

Peace and all good.

Stephen Carter

Zac Brown · Post by **Zac Brown** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:42 am

If this is what you're interested in, I would be willing to detail that process
by installing and building wine myself and then writing a howto for it.

Let me know if that suits you better and I'll work on that later today.

-Zac

stevecarter wrote:

Zac Brown wrote:
In this case, to play it safe, it looks like PCLinuxOS has their own version of
wine built and ready. It won't be the most recent version but it'll be a working
version of wine that you can install with minimal friction.
Zac,

Yes indeed. Their version is 0.9.58 and, as far as I can tell, there is no support for Windows programs that need .NET framework present.

This was the (unstated) reason behind my original request.

Hey, ho - you can't win 'em all!

Peace and all good.

Stephen Carter

stevecarter · Post by **stevecarter** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:05 pm

Zac Brown wrote:If this is what you're interested in, I would be willing to detail that process
by installing and building wine myself and then writing a howto for it.

Let me know if that suits you better and I'll work on that later today.

Zac,

That is a tremendous gift that you are offering, and I would be thrilled to receive it.

Thank you.

Best regards,

Stephen Carter

Zac Brown · Post by **Zac Brown** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:10 pm

Hi Stephen,

Check back later in the day or early tomorrow and I should have a post waiting
for you.

-Zac

stevecarter wrote:

Zac Brown wrote:
If this is what you're interested in, I would be willing to detail that process
by installing and building wine myself and then writing a howto for it.

Let me know if that suits you better and I'll work on that later today.

Zac,

That is a tremendous gift that you are offering, and I would be thrilled to receive it.

Thank you.

Best regards,

Stephen Carter

Island · Post by **Island** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:07 pm

If this is what you're interested in, I would be willing to detail that process
by installing and building wine myself and then writing a howto for it.

...

-Zac

Zac, I'd be interested in that, too. I think lots of people would be. Are you thinking of building, and a Howto, for Stephen and PCLinuxOS? Or is building from source more or less the same for every distribution?

I use Debian Etch, but more or less in the same position as Stephen. I looked at the Wine page talking about building from source, but was put off by the number of separate things that it talked about checking first - and, as he says, didn't really know what I might be looking at.

I'd certainly like to try rc4 - I've hit problems running Office 97 with VBA under 0.9.58, and even with rc2 - but rc2 is the latest Debian build I've been able to find. ('Ovek' built that and posted it on his website).

Echoing what Stephen already said, I think your offer is really helpful, and I'd like to try your Howto for PCLinuxOS and see how far I can get on Debian with it. I'll certainly post back some experience.

regards, Island

austin987 · Post by **austin987** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:17 pm

On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Island <[email protected]> wrote:

Zac, I'd be interested in that, too. I think lots of people would be. Are you thinking of building, and a Howto, for Stephen and PCLinuxOS? Or is building from source more or less the same for every distribution?

Building from source is the same for every distribution. Getting ready
and prepped, however, is a different beast. Settling the dependency
hell beforehand varies from distro to distro.

Michael Reich · Post by **Michael Reich** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:23 pm

Zac:

I don't know about Steve, but since I haven't found a version newer than
0.9.53 for the Tiger (Mac OSX) platform, I'd be interested in a how-to
on compiling a newer version....

On 6/11/08 [email protected] wrote:

Message: 2
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:42:06 -0700
From: Zac Brown <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Wine] Which Wine Download?
To: [email protected]
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

If this is what you're interested in, I would be willing to detail that process
by installing and building wine myself and then writing a howto for it.

Let me know if that suits you better and I'll work on that later today.

-Zac

stevecarter wrote:

Zac Brown wrote:

Zac,

Yes indeed. Their version is 0.9.58 and, as far as I can tell, there is no support for Windows programs that need .NET framework present.

This was the (unstated) reason behind my original request.

Hey, ho - you can't win 'em all!

Peace and all good.

Stephen Carter

Zac Brown · Post by **Zac Brown** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 3:02 pm

Hi,

Well for PCLinuxOS I'm actually going to do what Dan Kegel has already done for
Ubuntu. I'm building a script that will automagically install all the necessary
development libraries... I may even have it automagically configure, compile and
install Wine as well.

-Zac

Island wrote:

If this is what you're interested in, I would be willing to detail that process
by installing and building wine myself and then writing a howto for it.

...

-Zac

Zac, I'd be interested in that, too. I think lots of people would be. Are you thinking of building, and a Howto, for Stephen and PCLinuxOS? Or is building from source more or less the same for every distribution?

I use Debian Etch, but more or less in the same position as Stephen. I looked at the Wine page talking about building from source, but was put off by the number of separate things that it talked about checking first - and, as he says, didn't really know what I might be looking at.

I'd certainly like to try rc4 - I've hit problems running Office 97 with VBA under 0.9.58, and even with rc2 - but rc2 is the latest Debian build I've been able to find. ('Ovek' built that and posted it on his website).

Echoing what Stephen already said, I think your offer is really helpful, and I'd like to try your Howto for PCLinuxOS and see how far I can get on Debian with it. I'll certainly post back some experience.

regards, Island

Zac Brown · Post by **Zac Brown** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 3:46 pm

Ah woops, missed one extra point.

You can try one of Dan's scripts. Even though they're for Ubuntu, it might work.

For Debian Etch, you'll probably want something like Dan's Dapper script, found
here: http://kegel.com/wine/dapper.sh

I give no guarantees that it will work, but its worth a shot. If you're willing
to wait a bit, I will put Debian Etch/Lenny/Sid on my list of distros to build a
dependency script for.

-Zac

Island wrote:

If this is what you're interested in, I would be willing to detail that process
by installing and building wine myself and then writing a howto for it.

...

-Zac

Zac, I'd be interested in that, too. I think lots of people would be. Are you thinking of building, and a Howto, for Stephen and PCLinuxOS? Or is building from source more or less the same for every distribution?

I use Debian Etch, but more or less in the same position as Stephen. I looked at the Wine page talking about building from source, but was put off by the number of separate things that it talked about checking first - and, as he says, didn't really know what I might be looking at.

I'd certainly like to try rc4 - I've hit problems running Office 97 with VBA under 0.9.58, and even with rc2 - but rc2 is the latest Debian build I've been able to find. ('Ovek' built that and posted it on his website).

Echoing what Stephen already said, I think your offer is really helpful, and I'd like to try your Howto for PCLinuxOS and see how far I can get on Debian with it. I'll certainly post back some experience.

regards, Island

Island · Post by **Island** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:41 pm

Zac Brown wrote: You can try one of Dan's scripts. Even though they're for Ubuntu, it might work.

For Debian Etch, you'll probably want something like Dan's Dapper script, found here: http://kegel.com/wine/dapper.sh

I give no guarantees that it will work, but its worth a shot.

I'd missed that work, hadn't realised Dan had done these scripts. Perfect starting point and, hopefully, not too dissimilar.

I'll post back some experience. Zac, thanks for the link.

Zac Brown wrote: If you're willing to wait a bit, I will put Debian Etch/Lenny/Sid on my list of distros to build a dependency script for.

Zac, that really would be great, and popular, too, I'll bet.

I'm up for just trying anyway, using that Dapper script as a guide. I thought I might cross-check what it does (if I can deduce that) with the guidance in the Wine notes page. You just learn more, having a go, even when it ends in tears. And when it does, I'll have a second shot, with your scripts. Actually, I'd like to run them anyway if you do them, and let you know how straightforward it seemed. I've two machines I can try it on, so I'll leave one untouched for now.

Thanks again for the suggestions. And what a useful thread, all down to Stephen for asking in the first place.

regards, Island

Zac Brown · Post by **Zac Brown** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:51 pm

Hi,

Let me know if they work. I've just finished the PCLinuxOS 2007 one and would be
glad to modify and host a script tuned for Debian.

Anyone else wishing for a distribution specific build script, let me know.

Note that I'm not doing git check outs for installing. I'll only supply scripts
to build the latest release. I'll try and keep it up to date, no later than 2
releases.

-Zac

Island wrote:

Zac Brown wrote:
You can try one of Dan's scripts. Even though they're for Ubuntu, it might work.

For Debian Etch, you'll probably want something like Dan's Dapper script, found here: http://kegel.com/wine/dapper.sh

I give no guarantees that it will work, but its worth a shot.

I'd missed that work, hadn't realised Dan had done these scripts. Perfect starting point and, hopefully, not too dissimilar.

I'll post back some experience. Zac, thanks for the link.

Zac Brown wrote:
If you're willing to wait a bit, I will put Debian Etch/Lenny/Sid on my list of distros to build a dependency script for.

Zac, that really would be great, and popular, too, I'll bet.

I'm up for just trying anyway, using that Dapper script as a guide. I thought I might cross-check what it does (if I can deduce that) with the guidance in the Wine notes page. You just learn more, having a go, even when it ends in tears. And when it does, I'll have a second shot, with your scripts. Actually, I'd like to run them anyway if you do them, and let you know how straightforward it seemed. I've two machines I can try it on, so I'll leave one untouched for now.

Thanks again for the suggestions. And what a useful thread, all down to Stephen for asking in the first place.

regards, Island

Zac Brown · Post by **Zac Brown** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:36 pm

Hi Steve,

You can find the script for PCLinuxOS 2007 at
http://labs.zacbrown.org/doku.php?id=wi ... ildscripts.

Instructions are on the page as to how to run it. It will require some user
input, such as confirming installation of packages via apt-get. Please pay
attention to those warnings, especially if its warning you that you could be
damaging your system.

Let me know how it goes. I've tried the script on two separate installs and it
worked flawlessly both times.

-Zac

stevecarter wrote:

Zac Brown wrote:
If this is what you're interested in, I would be willing to detail that process
by installing and building wine myself and then writing a howto for it.

Let me know if that suits you better and I'll work on that later today.

Zac,

That is a tremendous gift that you are offering, and I would be thrilled to receive it.

Thank you.

Best regards,

Stephen Carter

stevecarter · Post by **stevecarter** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 11:09 am

Zac,

Thanks for your message and for all your skill so willingly shared.

I followed the instructions that came with the script and let the machine chug on for what seemed like ages, downloading a lot of stuff etc. and then working with it to build files etc.

When it eventually finished, I am not sure that anything is different.

wine --version still says it is 0.9.58 as before.

I did delete the .wine folder of the original installation before starting the script; should I have done more?

Here's hoping I have forgotten something simple.

Best regards,

Stephen Carter

Zac Brown · Post by **Zac Brown** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 12:04 pm

Ah. You should remove the old wine. Chances are, the old wine lives in /usr/
while the new wine that was built lives in /usr/local.

You don't have to remove the old wine, but if you don't you'll have to refer to
wine by specific path, ie: /usr/local/bin/wine or you'll have to setup an alias
in your .bashrc for wine, something like:

alias wine='/usr/local/bin/wine'

My advice is to do "apt-get remove wine" and that should solve this issue the
safest way.

Try that out, let me know how it goes.

-Zac

stevecarter wrote:

Zac,

Thanks for your message and for all your skill so willingly shared.

I followed the instructions that came with the script and let the machine chug on for what seemed like ages, downloading a lot of stuff etc. and then working with it to build files etc.

When it eventually finished, I am not sure that anything is different.

wine --version still says it is 0.9.58 as before.

I did delete the .wine folder of the original installation before starting the script; should I have done more?

Here's hoping I have forgotten something simple.

Best regards,

Stephen Carter

stevecarter · Post by **stevecarter** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:16 pm

Zac,

Done all that and wine --version now says 1.0-rc4

However (showing my ignorance) there are no items in the PCLinuxOS menus, so I don't know how to configure it.

Once again, have I missed something important?

Peace and all good.

Stephen Carter

Zac Brown · Post by **Zac Brown** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:24 pm

Stephen,

That may be one area where you'll have to live a little more around command
line. I don't know for sure how to get the menu items added when playing via
source. I can however tell you that on Ubuntu with source-compiled wine, every
time I install something, it adds an entry to the menu (at least in GNOME).

That said, to configure wine, you should be able to just type "winecfg" from
command line and that will allow you to configure things.

-Zac

stevecarter wrote:

Zac,

Done all that and wine --version now says 1.0-rc4

However (showing my ignorance) there are no items in the PCLinuxOS menus, so I don't know how to configure it.

Once again, have I missed something important?

Peace and all good.

Stephen Carter

stevecarter · Post by **stevecarter** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:46 pm

Zac,

Found winecfg before you replied.

About the menu thing; that's cool - I'll see what happens when I install a program.

I'll also try the MS .NET framework stuff to see if that will now work.

Thanks again.

Best regards.

Stephen Carter

Zac Brown · Post by **Zac Brown** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:52 pm

If you don't know about it, you should also look up winetricks. I think if you
just google it, that will help. I believe it has some stuff for doing .NET-like
things.

-Zac

stevecarter wrote:

Zac,

Found winecfg before you replied.

About the menu thing; that's cool - I'll see what happens when I install a program.

I'll also try the MS .NET framework stuff to see if that will now work.

Thanks again.

Best regards.

Stephen Carter

James McKenzie · Post by **James McKenzie** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 11:06 pm

As I replied only to Michael:

MikesMassiveMess run by Micheal Kronenberg has 1.0rc4 for both Tiger and
Leopard up for download and should work with .NET. I have this 'on my
plate' for this weekend and will see what happens with a fresh .wine.
That and building a 160MB hard drive up for Linux (F8) on a Thinkpad
A22p (this is for Wine testing folks.)

Next week should prove interesting for Wine.

James McKenzie

Michael Reich wrote:

Zac:

I don't know about Steve, but since I haven't found a version newer
than 0.9.53 for the Tiger (Mac OSX) platform, I'd be interested in a
how-to on compiling a newer version....

On 6/11/08 [email protected] wrote:
Message: 2
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:42:06 -0700
From: Zac Brown <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Wine] Which Wine Download?
To: [email protected]
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

If this is what you're interested in, I would be willing to detail
that process by installing and building wine myself and then writing
a howto for it.

Let me know if that suits you better and I'll work on that later today.

-Zac

stevecarter wrote:

there is no support for Windows programs that need .NET framework
present.

Michael Reich · Post by **Michael Reich** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 11:29 pm

Thanks for the info. Keep us posted on how it goes.

James McKenzie wrote:

As I replied only to Michael:

MikesMassiveMess run by Micheal Kronenberg has 1.0rc4 for both Tiger
and Leopard up for download and should work with .NET. I have this
'on my plate' for this weekend and will see what happens with a fresh
.wine. That and building a 160MB hard drive up for Linux (F8) on a
Thinkpad A22p (this is for Wine testing folks.)

Next week should prove interesting for Wine.

James McKenzie

Michael Reich wrote:
Zac:

I don't know about Steve, but since I haven't found a version newer
than 0.9.53 for the Tiger (Mac OSX) platform, I'd be interested in a
how-to on compiling a newer version....

On 6/11/08 [email protected] wrote:
Message: 2
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:42:06 -0700
From: Zac Brown <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Wine] Which Wine Download?
To: [email protected]
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

If this is what you're interested in, I would be willing to detail
that process by installing and building wine myself and then writing
a howto for it.

Let me know if that suits you better and I'll work on that later today.

-Zac

stevecarter wrote:

stevecarter · Post by **stevecarter** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 12:55 pm

Hi Zac,

I'm back again with ongoing problems.

I have successfully installed the 1.0-rc4 version of Wine according to your script.

I have installed a simple Windows program (no .NET of anything like that) and the icon is in the menu and on the Desktop.

However, when I try to launch it the "Eggtimer" rotates for a short while but then nothing else happens.

How do I find out what has gone wrong?

Thanks

Stephen Carter

PS - Do I need to change the subject heading?