Rosetta Stone again

[Hans Halvorson]

Many people have discussed the problems with Rosetta Stone, in
particular the failure to detect the cdrom with the "Language Pack".
I am having the same problem, but none of the described solutions work
for me.

I think that my dosdevices are configured correctly:

niemand@dell dosdevices $ ls -l
total 0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 niemand users 10 2007-09-07 11:59 c: -> ../drive_c
lrwxrwxrwx 1 niemand users 10 2008-05-18 06:37 d: -> /mnt/cdrom
lrwxrwxrwx 1 niemand users 14 2008-05-18 06:33 h: -> /home/niemand

If I put the application CD in the drive, mount it at /mnt/cdrom, and
do "wine Rosetta Stone.exe" (already installed from the application
CD), then it pops up a message "Please insert the correct CD-ROM,
press OK, and restart the application." And here's what I get in the
terminal:

niemand@dell RS2.2.0.0A $ wine Rosetta\ Stone.exe
fixme:service:QueryServiceObjectSecurity 0x11f990 4 0x11fdc8 0 0x32ef30 - semi-stub
fixme:service:QueryServiceObjectSecurity 0x11f990 4 0x11fdc8 28 0x32ef30 - semi-stub
fixme:advapi:SetEntriesInAclA 1 0x32eec0 0x11fddc 0x32ef2c
fixme:service:SetServiceObjectSecurity 0x11f990 4 0x32eeac
fixme:event:wait_for_withdrawn_state window 0x10022/1a00005 wait timed out
fixme:event:wait_for_withdrawn_state window 0x1002a/1a00008 wait timed out
fixme:event:wait_for_withdrawn_state window 0x10028/1800005 wait timed out

Where to go from here? I would be extremely grateful for any
suggestions or advice.

-Hans

[dimesio]

You may have already tried this--you didn't say exactly what you've tried--but the only way my daughter was able to get Rosetta Stone to work under Wine was to rip the cd to an iso and mount that.

[vitamin]

Many people have discussed the problems with Rosetta Stone, in
particular the failure to detect the cdrom with the "Language Pack".
I am having the same problem, but none of the described solutions work
for me.

I think that my dosdevices are configured correctly:

niemand@dell dosdevices $ ls -l
total 0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 niemand users 10 2007-09-07 11:59 c: -> ../drive_c
lrwxrwxrwx 1 niemand users 10 2008-05-18 06:37 d: -> /mnt/cdrom
lrwxrwxrwx 1 niemand users 14 2008-05-18 06:33 h: -> /home/niemand

Did you checked what's the type of the drive D: in winecfg? It should be "cdrom'.

[Hans Halvorson]

At Sun, 18 May 2008 19:24:06 -0500,
dimesio wrote:

You may have already tried this--you didn't say exactly what you've
tried--but the only way my daughter was able to get Rosetta Stone to
work under Wine was to rip the cd to an iso and mount that.

I had not yet tried mounting an iso image of the disk.

Strangely, I have not been able to rip the cd to an iso. I get the
following error:

$ dd if=/dev/cdrom1 of=image.iso bs=2k
dd: reading `/dev/cdrom1': Input/output error
2886+0 records in
2886+0 records out
5910528 bytes (5.9 MB) copied, 14.78 s, 400 kB/s

This exact same error happens on two different machines, so it's not
likely a hardware problem. The cd itself is brand new, and there are
no visible flaws, so it's not likely a problem with the disk. I
wonder if Rosetta has implemented some sort of copy protection?

[Hans Halvorson]

At Sun, 18 May 2008 21:53:22 -0500,
vitamin wrote:

Hans Halvorson wrote:

Many people have discussed the problems with Rosetta Stone, in
particular the failure to detect the cdrom with the "Language Pack".
I am having the same problem, but none of the described solutions work
for me.

I think that my dosdevices are configured correctly:

niemand@dell dosdevices $ ls -l
total 0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 niemand users 10 2007-09-07 11:59 c: -> ../drive_c
lrwxrwxrwx 1 niemand users 10 2008-05-18 06:37 d: -> /mnt/cdrom
lrwxrwxrwx 1 niemand users 14 2008-05-18 06:33 h: -> /home/niemand

Did you checked what's the type of the drive D: in winecfg? It should be "cdrom'.

Thanks. Yes, I have "cdrom" as the drive type. Still no luck.

[Plamen.Vassilev]

Hello,

try ripping the CD with

Code: Select all

cat /dev/cdrom1 > /tmp/image_name.iso

then try mounting (as root) with

Code: Select all

mount /tmp/image_name.iso /mnt/hd -o loop

of course you can change /mnt/hd to whatever directory suits you

Hope that helps

-Plamen

[Hans Halvorson]

At Tue, 20 May 2008 07:22:19 -0500,
Plamen.Vassilev wrote:

Hello,

try ripping the CD with

Code:
cat /dev/cdrom1 > /tmp/image_name.iso



then try mounting (as root) with

Code:
mount /tmp/image_name.iso /mnt/hd -o loop



of course you can change /mnt/hd to whatever directory suits you

Hope that helps

-Plamen

Thank you for your suggestion. I'm still receiving an error message:

# cat /dev/cdrom1 > /tmp/rosetta-original.iso
cat: /dev/cdrom1: Input/output error

-Hans

[Plamen.Vassilev]

At Tue, 20 May 2008 07:22:19 -0500,
Plamen.Vassilev wrote:

Hello,

try ripping the CD with

Code:
cat /dev/cdrom1 > /tmp/image_name.iso



then try mounting (as root) with

Code:
mount /tmp/image_name.iso /mnt/hd -o loop



of course you can change /mnt/hd to whatever directory suits you

Hope that helps

-Plamen

Thank you for your suggestion. I'm still receiving an error message:

# cat /dev/cdrom1 > /tmp/rosetta-original.iso
cat: /dev/cdrom1: Input/output error

-Hans

Hans,

did you check how large is the ripped .iso image? This error may (or may not) indicate flaws on the CD surface. I had several occasions where ripping of a CD ended with io error, but the ripped image was fine and mountable. Did you try to mount the ripped .iso file (if it's size is reasonable of course)?

[dimesio]

I
wonder if Rosetta has implemented some sort of copy protection?

Probably. I know some copy protection schemes work by intentionally creating bad sectors on the disc. (That's about the limit of my knowledge on the subject.)

Looking over your original post, I did have one idea. You said you mounted the cd before running the program, but did you open it in a file manager? If not, try doing that.

Also, are you running the latest version of Wine?

[Hans Halvorson]

At Tue, 20 May 2008 11:56:44 -0500,
dimesio wrote:

Hans Halvorson wrote:

I
wonder if Rosetta has implemented some sort of copy protection?

Probably. I know some copy protection schemes work by intentionally creating bad sectors on the disc. (That's about the limit of my knowledge on the subject.)

Looking over your original post, I did have one idea. You said you mounted the cd before running the program, but did you open it in a file manager? If not, try doing that.

Yes, I can open d:\ in winefile, and everything looks in order there.
In fact, I can click on "Autorun.exe", but then it says "Unload the
debugger and try again."

Also, are you running the latest version of Wine?

I am running Wine 1.0_rc1.

[dimesio]

Yes, I can open d:\ in winefile, and everything looks in order there.
In fact, I can click on "Autorun.exe", but then it says "Unload the
debugger and try again."

That's a copy protection issue.

[Hans Halvorson]

At Tue, 20 May 2008 12:24:16 -0500,
dimesio wrote:

Yes, I can open d:\ in winefile, and everything looks in order there.
In fact, I can click on "Autorun.exe", but then it says "Unload the
debugger and try again."

That's a copy protection issue.

After some investigating, I discovered that the Rosetta Stone language
pack CDs use SafeDisc for copy protection. What is the status of
SafeDisc support in wine?

[John Drescher]

Yes, I can open d:\ in winefile, and everything looks in order there.
In fact, I can click on "Autorun.exe", but then it says "Unload the
debugger and try again."

That's a copy protection issue.

After some investigating, I discovered that the Rosetta Stone language
pack CDs use SafeDisc for copy protection. What is the status of
SafeDisc support in wine?

I am not sure if this can be officially fixed with wine at all. The
problem is that the copy protection (correctly) thinks that wine is a
debugger and prevents the application executing under wine. This
debugger check is a safegaurd to prevent users from debugging the
executable to find a way to remove the protection.

John



--
John M. Drescher



--
John M. Drescher

[dimesio]

Looks like older versions of SafeDisc work, newer ones don't:
http://wiki.winehq.org/CopyProtection

[vitamin]

I am running Wine 1.0_rc1.

Try downgrading to wine-0.9.58 or older. There was regression that broke SafeDisk: http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13250

I am not sure if this can be officially fixed with wine at all. The
problem is that the copy protection (correctly) thinks that wine is a
debugger and prevents the application executing under wine. This

Wrong. Many older versions of SafeDisk work on Wine just fine. Wine is not a debugger. Adjust you knowledge about Wine and don't spread FUD.

[austin987]

On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 1:27 PM, vitamin <[email protected]> wrote:

Hans Halvorson wrote:

I am running Wine 1.0_rc1.

Try downgrading to wine-0.9.58 or older. There was regression that broke SafeDisk: http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13250

You could also upgrade to git to see if that fixes the issue for you
(and find any other regressions).

[John Drescher]

On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 2:27 PM, vitamin <[email protected]> wrote:

Hans Halvorson wrote:

I am running Wine 1.0_rc1.

Try downgrading to wine-0.9.58 or older. There was regression that broke SafeDisk: http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13250


John Drescher wrote:

I am not sure if this can be officially fixed with wine at all. The
problem is that the copy protection (correctly) thinks that wine is a
debugger and prevents the application executing under wine. This

Wrong. Many older versions of SafeDisk work on Wine just fine. Wine is not a debugger. Adjust you knowledge about Wine and don't spread FUD.

Sorry and thanks for the correction.

John

[Hans Halvorson]

At Tue, 20 May 2008 13:27:53 -0500,
vitamin wrote:

Hans Halvorson wrote:

I am running Wine 1.0_rc1.

Try downgrading to wine-0.9.58 or older. There was regression that broke SafeDisk: http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13250


John Drescher wrote:

I am not sure if this can be officially fixed with wine at all. The
problem is that the copy protection (correctly) thinks that wine is a
debugger and prevents the application executing under wine. This

Wrong. Many older versions of SafeDisk work on Wine just fine. Wine is not a debugger. Adjust you knowledge about Wine and don't spread FUD.

OK, I downgraded to wine-0.9.58, and still no go. (I have discovered
that the CD is protected by SafeDisc 2.9. According to
http://wiki.winehq.org/CopyProtection, that should work under
wine. But I'm having no luck so far.)

[dimesio]

Did you check your gcc version? There's a note that copy protection for SafeDisc 2.x breaks under some newer gcc versions.

http://wiki.winehq.org/GccVersions

[Hans Halvorson]

At Wed, 21 May 2008 08:38:49 -0500,
dimesio wrote:

Did you check your gcc version? There's a note that copy protection for SafeDisc 2.x breaks under some newer gcc versions.

http://wiki.winehq.org/GccVersions

Aha -- I'm running gcc 4.1.2. I will next try upgrading/downgrading
gcc.

(By the way, I ran another scanner on the disc, and this one reported
SafeDisc 4.0! I'm not sure if that can be accurate, but if it is, I
guess that I'll have serious trouble trying to run this in wine.)

[Hans Halvorson]

At Wed, 21 May 2008 10:03:34 -0400,
Hans Halvorson wrote:

At Wed, 21 May 2008 08:38:49 -0500,
dimesio wrote:

Did you check your gcc version? There's a note that copy protection for SafeDisc 2.x breaks under some newer gcc versions.

http://wiki.winehq.org/GccVersions

Aha -- I'm running gcc 4.1.2. I will next try upgrading/downgrading
gcc.

(By the way, I ran another scanner on the disc, and this one reported
SafeDisc 4.0! I'm not sure if that can be accurate, but if it is, I
guess that I'll have serious trouble trying to run this in wine.)

I recompiled wine-0.9.58 with gcc-3.4.6, and I still cannot access the
CD. So, I guess it has a version of SafeDisc that is just not yet
supported by wine.