How to access optical drive (cd, dvd)?

Wintershade · Post by **Wintershade** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 4:27 am

Hello everyone. I'm having a problem accessing my optical (CD/DVD) drive under WINE. What I would like to do is access it "directly" through WINE, i.e. whenever I insert a CD or DVD, I'd like WINE to detect it under it's E:\ (or D: or whatever) drive.

However, I don't know how to set this up (and even whether it's possible, but I suppose it is). My CD/DVD drive is apparently /dev/sr0, and if I set this as E: drive in winecfg, nothing happens. On the other hand, if I set it up as where the DVD is currently mounted (e.g. /media/<DVD label>), it works only for that DVD, and none with a different name.

Essentially, the best I've gotten to so far is to map one single specific DVD to my E: drive in winecfg, and if I want to use any other one, I have to remap it again under winecfg (which is a great inconvenience when, for example, I play games that require more than one CD/DVD, or when I'm catalogising my DVD collection and switching a DVD every 2-3 minutes).

I'm using Arch Linux (x64).

If anyone would help me shed some light on this, it would be much appreciated.
Thanks in advance!

Bryan Baldwin · Post by **Bryan Baldwin** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 4:58 am

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On 03/21/2011 10:27 PM, Wintershade wrote:

Hello everyone. I'm having a problem accessing my optical (CD/DVD) drive under WINE. What I would like to do is access it "directly" through WINE, i.e. whenever I insert a CD or DVD, I'd like WINE to detect it under it's E:\ (or D: or whatever) drive.

However, I don't know how to set this up (and even whether it's possible, but I suppose it is). My CD/DVD drive is apparently /dev/sr0, and if I set this as E: drive in winecfg, nothing happens. On the other hand, if I set it up as where the DVD is currently mounted (e.g. /media/<DVD label>), it works only for that DVD, and none with a different name.

Essentially, the best I've gotten to so far is to map one single specific DVD to my E: drive in winecfg, and if I want to use any other one, I have to remap it again under winecfg (which is a great inconvenience when, for example, I play games that require more than one CD/DVD, or when I'm catalogising my DVD collection and switching a DVD every 2-3 minutes).

I'm using Arch Linux (x64).

You need to use WINE configuration to assign your CD-ROM a WINE drive "letter", see WINE FAQ:

http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#head-f351523 ... 8da63be66f
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Wintershade · Post by **Wintershade** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 5:06 am

Bryan, thanks for the quick reply. However, I am aware that I need to set this up in winecfg, as I have mentioned in the first post.
The problem is that, since I'm using udev (rather than HAL, or any other method) to mount my removable drives, I don't have a /media/cdrom directory or anything like that.

When I insert a CD/DVD, it gets mounted under the path /media/<DVD label>, where <DVD label> is a dynamic name which changes according to the label of the respective DVD.

So if I assign a WINE drive "letter" to one specific DVD like that, no other DVD will work because no other DVD will be mounted under that name.

Any other ideas?

Bryan Baldwin · Post by **Bryan Baldwin** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 5:35 am

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On 03/21/2011 11:06 PM, Wintershade wrote:

Bryan, thanks for the quick reply. However, I am aware that I need to set this up in winecfg, as I have mentioned in the first post.
The problem is that, since I'm using udev (rather than HAL, or any other method) to mount my removable drives, I don't have a /media/cdrom directory or anything like that.

When I insert a CD/DVD, it gets mounted under the path /media/<DVD label>, where <DVD label> is a dynamic name which changes according to the label of the respective DVD.

So if I assign a WINE drive "letter" to one specific DVD like that, no other DVD will work because no other DVD will be mounted under that name.

Then your question is directed at the wrong project. If you are using udev, the rule that is generating dynamic mount names will be probably be something like /etc/udev/rules.d/75-cd-aliases-generator.rules. You should read "man udev", google around for clues, or ask your question on a udev channel, eg. "How can I have udev create a mount point with the same name whenever I put in a disc?"

Good Luck.
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Wintershade · Post by **Wintershade** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 5:45 am

Well okay, that's true. I'll sniff around udev a bit.

However, does that mean that WINE doesn't have a standard way of accessing the optical drives and/or automatically (re-)assigning a drive letter to an optical drive?

It would really be a neat feature...

Bryan Baldwin · Post by **Bryan Baldwin** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 5:29 pm

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On 03/21/2011 11:45 PM, Wintershade wrote:

Well okay, that's true. I'll sniff around udev a bit.

However, does that mean that WINE doesn't have a standard way of
accessing the optical drives and/or automatically (re-)assigning a
drive letter to an optical drive?

It would really be a neat feature...

Because WINE needs to be able to work on a multitude of different
operating systems, it would be really very impractical to try to chase a
moving target like optical drives. Even just on GNU+Linux, optical
drives are handled in multiple ways. There isn't much benefit in putting
together something that works the way you would have expected with your
current udev settings when 1) someone else would complain that that
implementation doesn't work on their brand X and 2) what you want is
totally doable by a user who is minding their udev rules.
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Wintershade · Post by **Wintershade** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 5:42 pm

Bryan Baldwin wrote:what you want is
totally doable by a user who is minding their udev rules.

Okay, so do you know of any udev rules which would help me in this situation? TIA

Bryan Baldwin · Post by **Bryan Baldwin** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:04 pm

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On 03/22/2011 11:42 AM, Wintershade wrote:

Bryan Baldwin wrote:
what you want is totally doable by a user who is minding their udev
rules.
Okay, so do you know of any udev rules which would help me in this
situation? TIA

I already told you where to look if you recall. The udev rule you are
looking for is probably in something like
/etc/udev/rules.d/75-cd-aliases-generator.rules.

RTFM

Bryan Baldwin wrote:
Then your question is directed at the wrong project. If you are using
udev, the rule that is generating dynamic mount names will be
probably be something like
/etc/udev/rules.d/75-cd-aliases-generator.rules. You should read "man
udev", google around for clues, or ask your question on a udev
channel, eg. "How can I have udev create a mount point with the same
name whenever I put in a disc?"

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Wintershade · Post by **Wintershade** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:14 pm

Bryan Baldwin wrote: I already told you where to look if you recall. The udev rule you are
looking for is probably in something like
/etc/udev/rules.d/75-cd-aliases-generator.rules.

RTFM

There is no need for rudeness. I was asking whether you know of any udev rules, not whether you think something would be probably be somewhere.
I know about the 75-cd-aliases-generator.rules file, and it - for some reason - doesn't deliver for me.

Anyway, thanks for the directions. I've been digging through the Arch Wiki and various udev-related websites for a few days now (I've had rules like that already set up in HAL once), so I should hopefully be able to do it with udev as well in some time.

vitamin · Post by **vitamin** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 9:55 pm

Wintershade wrote:However, does that mean that WINE doesn't have a standard way of accessing the optical drives and/or automatically (re-)assigning a drive letter to an optical drive?

No, it doesn't.

Wine supports HAL/dbus for detecting new mounted devices. And automatically assigning drive letter. The reason it's not forking for you is it's either you don't have development headers when you compiled Wine. Or you don't have correct 32-bit libraries.

Also Wine supports most iocpls for the CD-ROM devices - direct access to the drive/media.

Bryan Baldwin · Post by **Bryan Baldwin** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:14 am

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On 03/22/2011 03:55 PM, vitamin wrote:

Wine supports HAL/dbus for detecting new mounted devices. And
automatically assigning drive letter. The reason it's not forking for
you is it's either you don't have development headers when you
compiled Wine. Or you don't have correct 32-bit libraries.

My WINE is in a 32bit chroot. I don't get dynamic drive letter
assignment on mount, either. I have all the headers required, and
compile from git whenever there's a new batch of commits, so I reckon
there are a combination of configurations I'd need to do to connect
various things between the chroot and host, and or modified udev rules.
But I really could care less if I get drive letters for my cd-rom. I
hate all that idiotic C/PM throwback crap, so I haven't bothered to fix it.
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Wintershade · Post by **Wintershade** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:56 am

vitamin wrote:No, it doesn't.

Wine supports HAL/dbus for detecting new mounted devices. And automatically assigning drive letter. The reason it's not forking for you is it's either you don't have development headers when you compiled Wine. Or you don't have correct 32-bit libraries.

Hmm. I however don't even have HAL installed, since Arch abandoned it, just like some other distros in their current versions

vitamin wrote:Also Wine supports most iocpls for the CD-ROM devices - direct access to the drive/media.

Forgive my ignorance, but how do I put those to good use? TIA

vitamin · Post by **vitamin** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:40 am

Bryan Baldwin wrote:My WINE is in a 32bit chroot.

This is not supported. It's the source of many problems.

Bryan Baldwin wrote:I hate all that idiotic C/PM throwback crap, so I haven't bothered to fix it.

The fact that your setup is broken doesn't mean everyone's setup will be broken. Or that it's a "normal" for all systems. In the future please don't make such assumptions.

vitamin · Post by **vitamin** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:42 am

Wintershade wrote:Hmm. I however don't even have HAL installed, since Arch abandoned it, just like some other distros in their current versions

Install it then. HAL/dbus and udeb can perfectly coexists together.

Wintershade wrote:Forgive my ignorance, but how do I put those to good use?

Unless you writing windows programs - you won't.

Bryan Baldwin · Post by **Bryan Baldwin** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:30 pm

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On 03/22/2011 11:56 PM, Wintershade wrote:

Wine supports HAL/dbus for detecting new mounted devices. And automatically assigning drive letter. The reason it's not forking for you is it's either you don't have development headers when you compiled Wine. Or you don't have correct 32-bit libraries.
Hmm. I however don't even have HAL installed, since Arch abandoned it, just like some other distros in their current versions

Archlinux did not abandon HAL.

$ yaourt -Ss hal
extra/hal 0.5.14-6 [installed]
Hardware Abstraction Layer
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Bryan Baldwin · Post by **Bryan Baldwin** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:36 pm

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On 03/23/2011 02:40 AM, vitamin wrote:

Bryan Baldwin wrote:
My WINE is in a 32bit chroot.
This is not supported. It's the source of many problems.

Bryan Baldwin wrote:
I hate all that idiotic C/PM throwback crap, so I haven't bothered
to fix it.
The fact that your setup is broken doesn't mean everyone's setup will
be broken. Or that it's a "normal" for all systems. In the future
please don't make such assumptions.

I never said I assumed it was normal, or that it is a problem for anyone else other then me. I wrote:

I reckon there are a combination of configurations I'd need to do to
connect various things between the chroot and host, and or modified
udev rules.

I said I was perfectly happy with the 32bit chroot without dynamic drive letter assignment. Any brokenness referred to in that post meant my chroot configuration *not* WINE. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
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Wintershade · Post by **Wintershade** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:46 am

Bryan Baldwin wrote:Archlinux did not abandon HAL.

$ yaourt -Ss hal
extra/hal 0.5.14-6 [installed]
Hardware Abstraction Layer

Yes, alright, it did not abandon HAL, however I'm not getting the same HAL functionality as I had before. The HAL policies I've used before simply don't work anymore. I've had my own HAL policy for mounting optical discs under /media/disc, as I've described on Arch bbs.

Also, ArchWiki says about HAL...

ArchWiki wrote:HAL functions largely overlap with udev and kernelspace functionality. Therefore, HAL has become deprecated in favor of udev and is no longer developed. Currently, a small number of programs still rely on and use HAL, though development is heading toward utilizing udev as a replacement in the near future.

So it's not really abandoned in it's full sense, but it's become deprecated, and it will soon be replaced by udev. Just like it has been on, for example, Ubuntu and openSUSE.

I have a bad feeling that I'm doing something completely wrong, but I just can't figure out what

leniviy · Post by **leniviy** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:59 am

Hi Wintershade. You don't have to mess with udev. I added this to my /etc/fstab:

Code: Select all

/dev/cdrom             /media/cd   auto    ro,user,noauto,unhide   0      0
/dev/cdrom1             /media/cd1   auto    ro,user,noauto,unhide   0      0

. And created /media/cd and /media/cd1. Automount works, but the mount point names aren't random anymore, so I mapped 2 drive letters in wineconfig (just once).

Wintershade · Post by **Wintershade** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:35 am

Hey, this seems to work! A million thanks

Kudos to leniviy and to the Occam's razor

Clessy · Post by **Clessy** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:08 pm

I see this as a huge flaw of wine. You mount the dvd and instead of it being smart enough to know you want the actual dvd drive it only mounts that actual DVD as the drive. It should just mount the physical drive itself so every piece of media you put in is a windows driver.

Bryan Baldwin · Post by **Bryan Baldwin** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:42 pm

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On 03/24/2011 06:08 AM, Clessy wrote:

I see this as a huge flaw of wine. You mount the dvd and instead of
it being smart enough to know you want the actual dvd drive it only
mounts that actual DVD as the drive. It should just mount the
physical drive itself so every piece of media you put in is a windows
driver.

What does it mean "mount the physical drive itself" and "media you put
in is a windows driver"?

The physical drive is sighted by the Linux kernel, which loads a driver
to operate the device. The media isn't a driver? If it works and is
available in other places in Linux, its available in WINE.
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Clessy · Post by **Clessy** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 7:09 pm

Im saying if you mount your cd drive in wine it mounts the disk that you currently have in the cd drive.

Is there no way for it to mount just the drive itself so that anytime you put in a disk into the drive it should mount the new disk.

Martin Gregorie · Post by **Martin Gregorie** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 7:32 pm

On Wed, 2011-03-23 at 19:09 -0500, Clessy wrote:

Im saying if you mount your cd drive in wine it mounts the disk that
you currently have in the cd drive.

Of course. All *nix family OSen (which includes Linux, FreeBSD and hence
OS X) mount filing systems.

Devices (disks, CDs, DVDs or flash media) can be referred to by system
programs such as partition creaters, formatters and block-level copy
programs but they can't be mounted.

Is there no way for it to mount just the drive itself so that anytime
you put in a disk into the drive it should mount the new disk.

No.

Martin

vitamin · Post by **vitamin** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 9:37 pm

Bryan Baldwin wrote:I never said I assumed it was normal, or that it is a problem for anyone else other then me.

Whatever configuration you have is irrelevant. You not the original poster.

vitamin · Post by **vitamin** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 9:40 pm

Clessy wrote:It should just mount the physical drive itself so every piece of media you put in is a windows driver.

Wine does not handle filesystem direct. Nor it's an O/S. It's your O/S' responsibility to mount new media.

Topic closed. OP got his answer. Everything else completely different topic(s).