Problems running the game GUN from Neversoft.

fredand44 · Post by **fredand44** » Tue May 13, 2008 8:18 am

Hello!

I have installed Wine 0.9.55 (pretty sure of that) on my Mandriva 2008.

I tried to install the game GUN from Neversoft. (It works fine on windows Vista). On the distribution it says that it is compatible on Windows 2000 and XP.

But when I try to install it it seems to work, but when I try to run it I get an error in a popup.

Right now I'm at office and do not exactly remember the message.

But since I really would like it to work how do I find out what is wrong? Is there any logfiles or anything I can look into?

Btw
The game GUN is listed under Browse Apps > Games > Action Games, but there seems never have been any succsefull install?

Best regards
Fredrik

vitamin · Post by **vitamin** » Tue May 13, 2008 9:04 am

fredand44 wrote:Right now I'm at office and do not exactly remember the message.

You come home first and post the message you get. Also don't forget to attach complete terminal output when running the game, including the command you used to start it.

fredand44 · Post by **fredand44** » Tue May 13, 2008 9:14 am

Hello!

Thanks for your reply!

But what do you mean with terminal output? Where do I find that?
I just clicked the start-icon installed by the game.

Is there any other way to start an app through wine?

Best regards
Fredrik

fredand44 · Post by **fredand44** » Tue May 13, 2008 1:18 pm

Hello!

I tried at again at home and reinstalled the game.
I run the setup.exe and the installer started fine.
In the beginning I got this in the installer dialog:

--START-INFO--
GUN (TM) PC DVD-ROM

Minimum System Requirements

- 3D hardware accelerator card required - 100% DirectX(R) 9.0c-compliant 32 MB Hardware T&L - capable video card and the latest drivers*
- English version of Microsoft(R) Windows(R) 2000/XP
- Pentium(R) III 1.8 GHz or Athlon(TM) XP 1800+ or higher processor
- 256 MB of RAM
- 2.8 GB of uncompressed hard disk space (plus 320 MB for the Windows swap file)
- A 100% Windows 2000/XP-compatible computer system including:
- DirectX 9.0c (Included)
- 100% DirectX 9.0c-compliant true 16-bit sound card and drivers
- 100% Windows 2000/XP- compatible mouse, keyboard and drivers
- 100% Windows 2000/XP- compatible 2X speed DVD-ROM drive (2.77 MB/sec sustained transfer rate) and drivers
- 100% Windows 2000/XP-compatible gamepad (optional) (Game controller with 10 or more buttons and dual analog thumb sticks required)

*Supported Chipsets for Windows 2000/XP
NVIDIA(R) GeForce(TM) 3/Ti series
NVIDIA(R) GeForce(TM) 4/Ti series
NVIDIA(R) GeForce(TM) FX 5700 and later series
NVIDIA(R) GeForce(TM) 6800 and later
ATI(R) Radeon(TM) 8500
ATI(R) Radeon(TM) 9000
ATI(R) Radeon(TM) 9600
ATI(R) Radeon(TM) 9800 and later

*Important Note: Some 3D accelerator cards with the chipsets listed here may not be compatible with the 3D acceleration features utilized by GUN. Please refer to your hardware manufacturer for 100% DirectX 9.0c compatibility.
--END-INFO--

The preselected installpath was:
c:\Program Files\Activision\GUN

I tried to change it to /home/fredrik/Wine_Applications (without creating the folders "Activision/GUN")
But then the installer complained about:
"Seleceted does not have 3112 MB free"
...even though I got 100 Gb free space.

So I kept the original preselected installpath "c:\Program Files\Activision\GUN"

At end of install I got the choice to install DirectX 9.0, I selected not to since it did not work last time.

I restarted the computer. Put in the game-cd in cd-drive.

Double clicked on the Gun-icon on my desktop, but as like yesterday I just got this popup:
<A debugger has been detect>
Unload the debugger and try again

If any one got any clue of what to do please let me know!
Best regards
Fredrik

gnivler · Post by **gnivler** » Tue May 13, 2008 5:03 pm

fredand44 wrote:

The preselected installpath was:
c:\Program Files\Activision\GUN

I tried to change it to /home/fredrik/Wine_Applications (without creating the folders "Activision/GUN")
But then the installer complained about:
"Seleceted does not have 3112 MB free"
...even though I got 100 Gb free space.

So I kept the original preselected installpath "c:\Program Files\Activision\GUN"

This is because wine does not see your filesystem in the same way, for
lack of a more technical description. Z:\ is / on your unix fs. If
you wanted it installed to that folder it would be
z:\home\fredrik\Wine_Applications. You could even move it now that it's
installed by:

mv /home/fredrik/.wine/drive_c/Program\ Files\Activision/GUN
/home/fredrik/Wine_Applications
then link it
ln -s /home/fredrik/Activision /home/fredrik/.wine/drive_c/Program\ Files

I believe would be correct. Note that this after-the-fact move would
maintain the folder structure that you might not want. If the registry
has key(s) for the game path you can alter it and just update the
registry too. Some games don't care what folder they're in, no way to
know without first hand experience with it.

At end of install I got the choice to install DirectX 9.0, I selected not to since it did not work last time.

I restarted the computer. Put in the game-cd in cd-drive.

Double clicked on the Gun-icon on my desktop, but as like yesterday I just got this popup:
<A debugger has been detect>
Unload the debugger and try again

If any one got any clue of what to do please let me know!
Best regards
Fredrik

Good call on the directx, you do not want to install that in wine. As
for the debugger thing I know I've seen it referred to but I'm having no
success finding it right now, I think it might be related to copy
protection, from what I can find on the interweb it's protected by
SafeDisc 4.60. I don't think SafeDisc is support/implemented under wine
either, but I may be totally off base.
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vitamin · Post by **vitamin** » Tue May 13, 2008 5:21 pm

gnivler wrote:mv /home/fredrik/.wine/drive_c/Program\ Files\Activision/GUN
/home/fredrik/Wine_Applications
then link it
ln -s /home/fredrik/Activision /home/fredrik/.wine/drive_c/Program\ Files

I believe would be correct.

No that will not be correct. DO NOT create loops with symlinks. Wine ignores such links. And you will have all sorts of strange problems. Everything should be under one single directory.

fredand44, you still have not produced the terminal output. Run your game from the terminal (don't forget to 'cd' into game's directory) and post output here.

gnivler · Post by **gnivler** » Tue May 13, 2008 5:30 pm

vitamin wrote:

gnivler wrote:

mv /home/fredrik/.wine/drive_c/Program\ Files\Activision/GUN
/home/fredrik/Wine_Applications
then link it
ln -s /home/fredrik/Activision /home/fredrik/.wine/drive_c/Program\ Files

I believe would be correct.

No that will not be correct. DO NOT create loops with symlinks. Wine ignores such links. And you will have all sorts of strange problems. Everything should be under one single directory.

fredand44, you still have not produced the terminal output. Run your game from the terminal (don't forget to 'cd' into game's directory) and post output here.

Hmm strange, because whilst testing Guitar Hero I was deleting my .wine
folder alot so to save time I did exactly that, linked an Aspyr
directory on my desktop to .wine/drive_c/Program Files, and it didn't
seem to have any issues that weren't present without linking.

edit:
Like this:

Code: Select all

mason@beast:~/c/Program Files$ ll 
total 28
drwxr-xr-x 7 mason mason 4096 2008-05-11 23:44 .
drwxr-xr-x 5 mason mason 4096 2008-05-09 20:52 ..
lrwxrwxrwx 1 mason mason   26 2008-05-09 20:52 Aspyr -> /home/mason/Desktop/Aspyr/

vitamin · Post by **vitamin** » Tue May 13, 2008 6:43 pm

gnivler wrote:Hmm strange, because whilst testing Guitar Hero I was deleting my .wine
folder alot so to save time I did exactly that, linked an Aspyr
directory on my desktop to .wine/drive_c/Program Files, and it didn't
seem to have any issues that weren't present without linking.

Except that your program did not work. Like I said DO NOT do that in the future especially when troubleshooting.

gnivler · Post by **gnivler** » Tue May 13, 2008 7:30 pm

vitamin wrote:

gnivler wrote:

Hmm strange, because whilst testing Guitar Hero I was deleting my .wine
folder alot so to save time I did exactly that, linked an Aspyr
directory on my desktop to .wine/drive_c/Program Files, and it didn't
seem to have any issues that weren't present without linking.

Except that your program did not work. Like I said DO NOT do that in the future especially when troubleshooting.

The program worked fine, minus xinput. I'm not disagreeing with the
point you're making that it's not good practice, just saying that in
this particular case there was no effective difference between real data
and linked data.
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fredand44 · Post by **fredand44** » Wed May 14, 2008 1:29 am

Hello!

Thanks for all replies!

I di not understand the "Run your game from the terminal ...."

Correct me if I'm wrong when I say that you mean that I should start a cmd from wine (like in windows), then look for the something gun_start.exe.

I'll try that at once I get home.

Best regards
Fredrik

Dan Kegel · Post by **Dan Kegel** » Wed May 14, 2008 3:50 am

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 11:29 PM, fredand44 <[email protected]> wrote:

I di not understand the "Run your game from the terminal ...."

Correct me if I'm wrong when I say that you mean that I should start a cmd from wine (like in windows), then look for the something gun_start.exe.

I tried to improve the first few questions in http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ
to make this more obvious, can you have a look and see
if the answer to your question jumps out at you now?

fredand44 · Post by **fredand44** » Wed May 14, 2008 3:43 pm

Hello!

I updated wine to the latest 1.0 version.

I reinstalled Gun without the DirectX

I tried to run it through the terminal like:

[fredrik@linux_2 GUN]$ ls
binkw32.dll ds.dat igct.bnx igctSpanish.bnx texs/
data/ Gun.exe* igctFrench.bnx MouseCursor.png
Docs/ gun.ico igctItalian.bnx ncm.dat

[fredrik@linux_2 GUN]$ wine Gun.exe
fixme:service:QueryServiceObjectSecurity 0x128e20 4 0x129520 0 0x32ef40 - semi-stub
fixme:service:QueryServiceObjectSecurity 0x128e20 4 0x129520 28 0x32ef40 - semi-stub
fixme:advapi:SetEntriesInAclA 1 0x32eed0 0x129534 0x32ef3c
fixme:service:SetServiceObjectSecurity 0x128e20 4 0x32eebc

This was the output and as yesterday I just got this popup:
<A debugger has been detect>
Unload the debugger and try again

So if you guys got any clues please let me know!

Best regards
Fredrik

gnivler · Post by **gnivler** » Wed May 14, 2008 4:21 pm

fredand44 wrote:

Hello!

I updated wine to the latest 1.0 version.

I reinstalled Gun without the DirectX

I tried to run it through the terminal like:

[fredrik@linux_2 GUN]$ ls
binkw32.dll ds.dat igct.bnx igctSpanish.bnx texs/
data/ Gun.exe* igctFrench.bnx MouseCursor.png
Docs/ gun.ico igctItalian.bnx ncm.dat

[fredrik@linux_2 GUN]$ wine Gun.exe
fixme:service:QueryServiceObjectSecurity 0x128e20 4 0x129520 0 0x32ef40 - semi-stub
fixme:service:QueryServiceObjectSecurity 0x128e20 4 0x129520 28 0x32ef40 - semi-stub
fixme:advapi:SetEntriesInAclA 1 0x32eed0 0x129534 0x32ef3c
fixme:service:SetServiceObjectSecurity 0x128e20 4 0x32eebc

This was the output and as yesterday I just got this popup:
<A debugger has been detect>
Unload the debugger and try again

So if you guys got any clues please let me know!

Best regards
Fredrik

Try this thread Fredrik, might be the same deal:

http://forum.winehq.org/viewtopic.php?t=643

fredand44 · Post by **fredand44** » Thu May 15, 2008 2:26 am

Hello!

Thanks for your reply.

I guess you think the path to the cd is the problem?

I guess there is no way in wine to tell wine where the cd player is?

I will look for a no-cd-crack when I get home.

Best regards
Fredrik

Post by **dimesio** » Thu May 15, 2008 9:16 am

fredand44 wrote:
I guess you think the path to the cd is the problem?

I guess there is no way in wine to tell wine where the cd player is?

I will look for a no-cd-crack when I get home.

Best regards
Fredrik

You can tell Wine where to find your cd drive by setting it up in winecfg. But from what I can see, that's not the problem here. The problem is that your game uses a form of copy protection that Wine can't handle.

fredand44 · Post by **fredand44** » Thu May 15, 2008 12:04 pm

Hello!

I found a no-cd-crack at:
http://www.megagames.com

No it's complaining about "DirectX 9.0c must be installed" in a popup.

I also tried to start it through a terminal and this time there was a very long output. Below is tha last rows:

fixme:dxdiag:IDxDiagContainerImpl_AddProp (0x12d680, L"dwOutputs", 0x32f478)
fixme:dxdiag:IDxDiagContainerImpl_AddChildContainer (0x127a30, L"DxDiag_DirectShowFilters", 0x12d680)
fixme:dxdiag:IDxDiagContainerImpl_GetChildContainer (0x127a30, L"DxDiag_SystemInfo", 0x32fcbc)
fixme:dxdiag:IDxDiagContainerImpl_GetProp (0x127a50, L"dwDirectXVersionMajor", 0x32fcd4)
fixme:dxdiag:IDxDiagContainerImpl_GetProp (0x127a50, L"dwDirectXVersionMinor", 0x32fcd4)
fixme:dxdiag:IDxDiagContainerImpl_GetProp (0x127a50, L"szDirectXVersionLetter", 0x32fcd4)

Is there a way to use DirectX9.0c through wine?

Best regards
Fredrik

vitamin · Post by **vitamin** » Thu May 15, 2008 12:50 pm

fredand44 wrote:Is there a way to use DirectX9.0c through wine?

No. It talks to hardware directly - Wine can not support that. With the few exceptions of "helper" dlls installing native DirectX is useless. It just contaminates your system.

Try upgrading to latest GIT version of Wine.

fredand44 · Post by **fredand44** » Thu May 15, 2008 1:10 pm

Hello!

Thanks for your reply mate, but I think you lost me there about "GIT"?

Yesterday I installed Wine from "wine-1.0-0.rc1.mdv2008.1.i586".

Is there an other version with GIT available?

Best regards
Fredrik

vitamin · Post by **vitamin** » Thu May 15, 2008 1:31 pm

fredand44 wrote:Is there an other version with GIT available?

http://www.winehq.org/site/git