Office 2007 is a half ass work'n

[mrchaos101]

I have a subscription to MS TechNET.

I wanted to use office 2010 but was told in another thread that was not going to happen. At least not yet.

So I have defaulted to Office 2007 Enterprise.

Word is up and working and seems to have no issues. Excel and Access are another problem however.

When I try to run another app other then Word, I get an Microsoft Office error that says: "Microsoft Office Excel has not been installed for the current user. Please run setup to install the application."

Any help would be cool

Thanks in advance.

[dimesio]

When I try to run another app other then Word, I get an Microsoft Office error that says: "Microsoft Office Excel has not been installed for the current user. Please run setup to install the application."

Excel works fine here, and I have the Enterprise edition, too.

When you installed Office, did you follow the instructions in the AppDB, or did you follow some random howto you found that calls for a bunch of winetricks? If the latter, delete the wineprefix and reinstall following the instructions in the AppDB.
http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.p ... n&iId=4992

Access doesn't really work very well but you can get it to at least start up by following the workaround in the AppDB.
http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.p ... &iId=16862

[mrchaos101]

Excel works fine here, and I have the Enterprise edition, too.

When you installed Office, did you follow the instructions in the AppDB, or did you follow some random howto you found that calls for a bunch of winetricks? If the latter, delete the wineprefix and reinstall following the instructions in the AppDB.

http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.p ... n&iId=4992

I am confused then... cause if you go to that AppDP it says right there:

Additional Comments

Enterprise edition

Had to do the following:

$ winetricks msxml3
$ wine /path/to/setup.exe
[qutoe/]

Access doesn't really work very well but you can get it to at least start up by following the workaround in the AppDB.
http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.p ... &iId=16862

I have followed that link..but i get the same issue.

So is it my understanding that Office Access 2003 will not work very well? What if you have an app that has custom VBA code?

[dimesio]

I am confused then... cause if you go to that AppDP it says right there:

Additional Comments

Enterprise edition

Had to do the following:

$ winetricks msxml3
$ wine /path/to/setup.exe

That's just one person's test report. I've never been able to reproduce the problem, but a couple of people have reported needing native msxml3 to install. I suspect the people who report needing native msxml3 may be installing a version that is already updated to SP2 (mine isn't) and they are running into http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18376 (One of the problems with trying to give advice on installing Office is that there are many different versions of the installer.)

My suggestion is you follow the official howto first (which calls for a clean wineprefix and no overrides), and if that doesn't work, try native msxml3.

So is it my understanding that Office Access 2003 will not work very well? What if you have an app that has custom VBA code?

I thought you were asking about Access 2007; that's the entry I referred you to. I've never tried to run Access 2003. My testing of Access 2007 was very limited--just enough to get it running. It seemed buggy to me, but I'm also not that familiar with it. I don't have a clue about custom VBA code; try it and find out.

[mrchaos101]

wow... I looked at your last link... perhaps it would be better to try a VM and install Windows in it....then install office that way?

I must have all of office working good.

Was hoping to move away from windows..but looks like this isn't gonna work.

[dimesio]

wow... I looked at your last link... perhaps it would be better to try a VM and install Windows in it....then install office that way?

I must have all of office working good.

Was hoping to move away from windows..but looks like this isn't gonna work.

The Access workarounds are done after installing, and not as difficult as they might look at first glance.

You might check out Crossover, because they have hacks to make some things in Office work that don't work in plain Wine. But if you really need everything to work, you probably need a VM.

[mrchaos101]

Ok followed the directions step by step.

Word comes up just fine. Even sent a test page tot he printer.

When I try to launch Excel from the Wine Programs Menu it tells me that this program has not been installed for this user and to run setup again.

So im back to where we were at the start of this thread.

[dimesio]

Ok followed the directions step by step.

Word comes up just fine. Even sent a test page tot he printer.

When I try to launch Excel from the Wine Programs Menu it tells me that this program has not been installed for this user and to run setup again.

Run it from the command line and post the full output, including the command used to start it.

[oiaohm]

mrchaos101 If you plan is migrating off windows starting in wine emulating MS office is the complete wrong way to get there.

You will find unless you use VBA macros openoffice calc is basically 100 percent compad with MS Office Excel. Even then there are good documents out there to migrate macros from MS Office Excel to ODS/OpenOffice. So removing that dependency.

These document storage issues really should be sorted out on windows not as part of the migration to linux. Ie Openoffice or librioffice deployed on the windows machine as starting point.

Access most items using access should be migrated before starting the migration to Linux. Option include many front ends for postgresql and mysql. http://www.glom.org springs to mind. Kexi is also good even that it install on windows makes quite a bit of harddrive go by by since it installs with the the complete koffice and there is a quite major image processing program in there.

[mrchaos101]

mrchaos101 If you plan is migrating off windows starting in wine emulating MS office is the complete wrong way to get there.

You will find unless you use VBA macros openoffice calc is basically 100 percent compad with MS Office Excel. Even then there are good documents out there to migrate macros from MS Office Excel to ODS/OpenOffice. So removing that dependency.

These document storage issues really should be sorted out on windows not as part of the migration to linux. Ie Openoffice or librioffice deployed on the windows machine as starting point.

Access most items using access should be migrated before starting the migration to Linux. Option include many front ends for postgresql and mysql. http://www.glom.org springs to mind. Kexi is also good even that it install on windows makes quite a bit of harddrive go by by since it installs with the the complete koffice and there is a quite major image processing program in there.

Ok here is it run form a command line:

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tim@tim-desktop:~$ wine "c:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office12\excel.exe"
fixme:heap:HeapSetInformation 0x110000 1 (nil) 0
fixme:heap:HeapSetInformation 0x110000 1 (nil) 0
fixme:heap:HeapSetInformation 0x110000 1 (nil) 0
fixme:time:GetCalendarInfoW flag CAL_NOUSEROVERRIDE used, not fully implemented
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fixme:thread:SetThreadIdealProcessor (0xb8): stub
fixme:thread:SetThreadIdealProcessor (0xc0): stub
fixme:thread:SetThreadIdealProcessor (0xc8): stub
fixme:thread:SetThreadIdealProcessor (0xd0): stub
fixme:thread:SetThreadIdealProcessor (0xd8): stub
fixme:thread:SetThreadIdealProcessor (0xe0): stub
fixme:thread:SetThreadIdealProcessor (0xe8): stub
fixme:thread:SetThreadIdealProcessor (0xf0): stub
fixme:msimtf:DllGetClassObject ({c1ee01f2-b3b6-4a6a-9ddd-e988c088ec82} {00000001-0000-0000-c000-000000000046} 0x32ddc0)
err:ole:apartment_getclassobject DllGetClassObject returned error 0x80040111
err:ole:CoGetClassObject no class object {c1ee01f2-b3b6-4a6a-9ddd-e988c088ec82} could be created for context 0x1
fixme:heap:HeapSetInformation 0x110000 1 (nil) 0
fixme:win:EnumDisplayDevicesW ((null),0,0x32d60c,0x00000000), stub!
fixme:win:EnumDisplayDevicesW ((null),0,0x32d60c,0x00000000), stub!
fixme:wtsapi:WTSRegisterSessionNotification Stub 0x1007c 0x00000000
fixme:mscoree:GetRequestedRuntimeInfo ((null), L"v2.0.0", (null), 0x00000000, 0x00000051, (nil), 0x00000000, (nil), 0x32dc7c, 0x0000001e, 0x32dc74) stub
fixme:mscoree:GetCORVersion (0x32dc7c, 30, 0x32dc74): semi-stub!
fixme:time:GetCalendarInfoW flag CAL_NOUSEROVERRIDE used, not fully implemented
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fixme:wtsapi:WTSRegisterSessionNotification Stub 0x10060 0x00000000
fixme:ole:OleQueryLinkFromData (0x193740),stub!
fixme:advapi:RegisterEventSourceW ((null),L"Microsoft Office 12 Sessions"): stub
fixme:advapi:ReportEventW (0xcafe4242,0x0004,0x0000,0x00001b58,(nil),0x0006,0x00000000,0x32ed14,(nil)): stub
fixme:advapi:DeregisterEventSource (0xcafe4242) stub
fixme:wtsapi:WTSUnRegisterSessionNotification Stub 0x1007c
tim@tim-desktop:~$ 

[mrchaos101]

Oops the above was to be a reply to dimesio

They need an edit button in here!

As for the reply to " Oiaohm... I teach CIS 145... Access. I need to be able to use the program.

[oiaohm]

When I did the CIS 145 equal here I did it on mysql and orcale with related frontends. Never was required touch access.

Mostly because in my first week with access 2003 I had effectively ruined it completely. To where it was making 2 + 2 equal 4000 and other effectively stupid things. No it was not that I had done anything that wrong. Ok I had typed formulas in then gone back and changed them so leading to stuffed access mdb files that are still stuffed with Access 2007 and Access 2010. Same process can still stuff up Access 2007 and 2010 results. So I don't class Access as a quality program for businesses to trust when the forumular displayed and the forumalar processed can be completely different and the only way to detect is your numbers are out.

Need and want are two different things. Nothing in CIS 145 course description says access has to be used. Its to teach the basic ideas of database work and using integrated.

I have also taught the equal course without using access in the course.

Sorry mrchaos101. Access not need its a want. Learn to tell the difference. Need is that the course must be taught by it by it description and there is nothing else. You are the teacher of the course it is possible for the teacher of the course to change wants and still meet the needs of teaching the course.

CIS 145 course leading to web development I would not be surprised if they skip access and move onto databases that work.

By that error message what version wine are you running. You will notice test results in wine appdb are wine version dependent. I guess you are not running the same version wine as tested. "wine --version" will tell you version. Also be aware excel has its own appdb page with instructions just for it. Same with each program in MS Office. The main MS Office entry is only covers the installer not the programs that are installed.

mrchaos101 edit button is removed because what ever we type here goes straight out on a mailing list. There is no way to delete or alter a message once its email sent so this form cannot have edit. Please use Preview in future. I should put in a request for the direct Submit button to be removed.

[dimesio]

Your console output looks pretty much the same as mine, and Excel works fine here.

What distro, and what version of Wine are you running?

[mrchaos101]

t.

Need and want are two different things......
Sorry mrchaos101. Access not need its a want. Learn to tell the difference. Need is that the course must be taught by it by it description and there is nothing else. You are the teacher of the course it is possible for the teacher of the course to change wants and still meet the needs of teaching the course.

Ok dude...thanks for your help but I don't NEEDE nor "WANT" to explain my life to you. No body made you come here and "help" No need to troll.

I teach CIS 145. I teach ACCESS. I work at a State Prison where we only have ACCESS to use. I don't have the privilege to "choose" anything else.

I NEED access to work so that I check assignments. I don't NEED trolling.
I WANT to change over to Ubuntu because I WANT to learn something New.

I don't NEED an ass hat.

[mrchaos101]

Your console output looks pretty much the same as mine, and Excel works fine here.

What distro, and what version of Wine are you running?

Dimesio thank for helping out with this...

I think you are on to it.... I assumed I downloaded the current version of Ubuntu as I thought I didn't take a RC... I used the normal download button knowing that 10x will be out in a few days. I popped in my DVD and it appears I am using an Ubuntu 10.04.1 So...it is in fact either an RC or beta or some crap.

Guess now the question is... do you think I should update WINE beta version for this.... or should I go back and install an older version of Ubuntu and still use Wine 1.2??

Do you think the version of office 2007 matters? I can use any version.

[mrchaos101]

oiaohm

Please accept my public apology. I work with adult students that have the mentality of Jr. Students 10hrs a day, I am taking 16 credit hours,... trying to buy my first house....trying to remodel this house....expecting my mother to move in because my father passed away and I foudn out the wife is 3 months pregnant.

That one line you posted just popped me off. You did not deserve that.

[mrchaos101]

Here are 2 screen shots

First shows it installed...if i click word it runs just fine

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v688/ ... nshot1.png

The 2nd shows the error message when I run excel....I get the same with access.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v688/ ... nshot1.png

[mrchaos101]

guess i had the same url in my clip board.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v688/ ... nshot2.png

there is the 2nd

[oiaohm]

Ok that different. I was doing teaching in a prison and we were not allowed windows software installed due to its secuirty issues.

Sorry for biting you two mrchaos101 nothing is more annoying to me than people saying the need something when its a want. Problem of being a network administrator of time. Its I need this I need this. When really its all wants. Could be delayed by a day or a month with no difference.

http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.p ... &iId=12812
Have you done the howto here? mrchaos101. The howto there is critical to excel 2007 working sanely.

The excel 2007 message in image is the message excel 2007 displays when something it has not expected happens. Yes the run home to mum message as they get called. Damage a few dlls on a windows install of MS Office 2007 and it will display that message. Be using a vba script using a .dll that is damaged it will display that message. How can you say it is not true to label.

There is also a access page.

Version of Office used is critical.

[dimesio]

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Dimesio thank for helping out with this...

I think you are on to it.... I assumed I downloaded the current version of Ubuntu as I thought I didn't take a RC... I used the normal download button knowing that 10x will be out in a few days. I popped in my DVD and it appears I am using an Ubuntu 10.04.1 So...it is in fact either an RC or beta or some crap.

Guess now the question is... do you think I should update WINE beta version for this.... or should I go back and install an older version of Ubuntu and still use Wine 1.2??

Do you think the version of office 2007 matters? I can use any version.

I asked about your distro because there is a known problem with Ubuntu 10.10 that breaks many apps in Wine, including Office.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24193

It wasn't present in the original 10.04, but they may have backported the change. Try upgrading to Wine 1.3.4, which had a workaround added.

The version of Office can matter. You said you were using the enterprise edition; is it English? There have been times in the past when the German and Spanish versions in particular have had bugs that did not affect the English version.

[dimesio]

Forgot to say this: when you upgrade to 1.3.4, do a clean install of Office 2007 under that version. Don't customize the install, and don't allow Office to automatically update.

[mrchaos101]

Ok that seems to be what was causing the issue.

1.) I thought 10.x was the soon to be but it is 10.10 so my ver is the safe one to use according to you.
2.) I totally removed WINE and did the install of the 1.3.4 version (I could not find the 1.3.3 that the AppDB said to use. I was using the 1.2 stable.

I did the clean install with out doing any config tweaking and all apps appear to be working just fine. Not sure if VBA will take a crap or not but...that is not as important as basic access and basic excel working.

You said the 1.3.4 has a work around for 10.10.... on the 10th when the release goes out do you think it will be safe for me to upgrade? Or perhaps I should wait a while?

For me to use Ubuntu I needed Office to work. I also need Photo shop to work. I want World of Warcraft to work.

I got office going and I got warcraft going....so i will play with photoshop and hope for the best.

[dimesio]

You said the 1.3.4 has a work around for 10.10.... on the 10th when the release goes out do you think it will be safe for me to upgrade? Or perhaps I should wait a while?

AFAIK, the workaround that was incorporated into Wine 1.3.4 should take care of the problem. As to whether it's safe to upgrade, I don't use Ubuntu myself, so I'm not in a position to say.

[oiaohm]

mrchaos101 Rule I follow with wine. Is if it works don't touch it unless I have to.

You are aware for inspecting someones work with photoshop most of the time gimp and krita will do? mrchaos101. Krita has the color levels as photoshop.

Krita is a program windows users are unlikely to know since its part of Koffice and Koffice has not been on windows very much And the Koffice install is kinda huge over the internet install for windows. But Krita is picky and requires a old Photoshop version 7 PSD files. Yes so they have to know how to save a targeted version to submit work that will not kill them. One of the advantages of being a teacher at times. You normally can set what stuff people want marked has to be submitted as long as the program can export that format.

Ok these options might not be suitable. Part of moving across to Linux is leaving particular applications behind. Running in wine is not ideal location.

World of Warcraft is a constant job to keep running due to its updates. Yes it can be got running but I will warn you now it will not stay that way and will have to be fixed in future as that program changes due to updates. Advisable to place in a independant prefix to items like photoshop and msoffice where wine version can be held static.