Anyone please make Wine permissive?

[Rishi]

Sir,
I am rishikeshan. I am a 14 years old student. I am interested in permissive open community. I hate copyleft.
Don't fear of commercialization. It is needed to the earth. Actually, GPL is blocking the development. I will definitely help you if you make it permissive. Maybe you can make YOUR code permissive. How permissive nature help you?
How can I get old BSD release?
1.Some commercial developers will also help you.
2.WINE will be included in documentation of derivatives (if MIT). That will make WINE famous and well-known than now.
3. Some BSD developers can include it in distro.
It will definitely help.
Proprietory development is not a trouble.
Just force them to advertise (Bsd 4-clause)/include copyright notice(MIT/X).


Why not GPL
1.You are not selfish (like the PERSON who wrote it).
2.If you are not the worst developer.
3.If you are good developer.
4.If you really understand what is open source.
5.GPL is said to be worst license by most commercial developers.
6.If you don't want to steal others' code.
7.If you want to promote IT development.
8.If you are not selfish, you will not follow 'If you do it, give it to me'.
9.If you want to help humans.
10.Competition is not a foe.
11.If it is GPL, when the project is abandoned, most probably the project dies. But when it is permissive, others will definitely help you. Others will take over your project if abandoned, at least there will be an open source implementation.
12.Zlib is permissive and * abandoned*, but is still living because it is permissive and developers are considering it as the BEST.
13.Every bit of machine code helps human development.
14. Proprietary must be developed for human development.
15.GPL is a barrier for human development and IT industry.
16.The following sentence will be irrelevant but think: IT IS TRUE "OSS will die/be inactive without proprietary"
17.If your project needs to be TRUE OSS and it does not want to steal code/blackmail others.
18.A developer must help another developer.
19.The real meaning of OSS is 'Include source, allow derive, no matter how (including proprietary)'
20.For more information, see http://sealedabstract.com/rants/why-the-gpl-sucks
21.OSS and closed source projects must be in harmony.
22.OSS is made for helping developers.
23.Think for a moment:Proprietory is needed to the world. Why people are listening and being brainwashed by stallman?
24.TO INCLUDE IT IN BSD.
25.GPL CAUSE PROJECTS DIE W/O TRACES.
DO NOT LISTEN TO STALLMAN! GPL SUCKS!


Why not LGPL
|Same as GPL
|1.You are not selfish (like the PERSON who wrote GPL).
|2.If you are not the worst developer.
|3.If you are good developer.
|4.If you really understand what is open source.
|5.GPL is said to be worst license by most commercial developers.
|6.If you don't want to steal others' code.
|7.If you want to promote IT development.
|8.If you are not selfish, you will not follow 'If you do it, give it to me'.
|9.If you want to help humans.
|10.Competition is not a foe.
|11.If it is GPL, when the project is abandoned, most probably the project dies. But when it is permissive, others will definitely help you. Others will take over your project if abandoned, at least there will be an open source implementation.
|12.Zlib is permissive and * abandoned*, but is still living because it is permissive and developers are considering it as the BEST.
|13.Every bit of machine code helps human development.
|14. Proprietary must be developed for human development.
|15.GPL is a barrier for human development and IT industry.
|16.The following sentence will be irrelevant but think: IT IS TRUE "OSS will die/be inactive without proprietary"
|17.If your project needs to be TRUE OSS and it does not want to steal code/blackmail others.
|18.A developer must help another developer, in a fair way.
|19.The real meaning of OSS is 'Include source, allow derive, no matter how (including proprietary)'
|20.For more information, see http://sealedabstract.com/rants/why-the-gpl-sucks
|21.OSS and closed source projects must be in harmony.
|22.OSS is made for helping developers.
|23.Think for a moment:Proprietory is needed to the world. Why people are listening and being brainwashed by stallman?
|24.TO INCLUDE IT IN BSD.
|25.GPL CAUSE PROJECTS DIE W/O TRACES.
Additional:
LGPL is not fair
LGPL sucks!
Lgpl says 'Lesser GPL' but it sucks like 'Greater GPL'.


Why MIT/BSD-4?
1.A copyright notice/advertising clause is included.
2.It allows commercial derivatives which is a part of IT.
3.It does not suck like GPL.
4.It is't selfish.
5.To show how kind you are.
6.To be a useful project.
If you want more reasons, e-mail me.


Again, It will be good to say 'My project is MIT and included over 100 projects' instead of 'My project is GPL (selfish) and has less than 3 derivatives'.
I think I am not wasting time on writing this.


Apache, libcurl, php, postgresql, zlib, xlib, libpng, libxml, Ogre, boost, BSD, mapserver, android and much more are also permissive, they are living and some are better than others.
I think you are not selfish by helping only YOUR SOFTWARE.
I hope you will help others.
I hope your project will be useful.
If you can't convert the license, please release YOUR CODE under pure permissive license.




Thank You


With great hope,
Yours sincerely,
L.Rishikeshan
[email protected]

[fcmartins]

Hey rishikeshan,
there is a lot of wrong perceptions and bullshit arguments in your post. I don't have the time neither the motivation to give you a proper reply, sorry, but I would recommend you to read the mailing lists discussions at the time Wine made the transition to LGPL. It's a long but fascinating read. Maybe someone else can point to the best mail list and time frame.

BTW, maybe you want to consider to remove the lock on the door of your house to allow merchants to open a shop there. Please make your door more permissive. Shops are good!

Best wishes.

[oiaohm]

Please don't bring this up ever again. Rishi test of time is against you.

Wine was MIT license along time ago. Wine changed to LGPL due to what was going on and for the long term good of wine. http://www.transgaming.com/ and others took the wine code that was under MIT License extended it then would not give support back to the community. Most of the fork branches of wine that were breaking of the MIT were dieing a fast death.

They were not the only party look at doing this. Result was wine was going to fracture with no progress. Since the switch to LGPL license wine development has been more stable. The branches have all got stronger.

There is a MIT branch of Wine by the way. http://sourceforge.net/projects/winem/ Its died a sad and slow death because the commercial guys without the force of LGPL don't give code.

And I think it funny when you claim closed source and LGPL don't get along. What in heck do you think code-weavers, transgaming and Bordeaux do with wine. Commercial Derivatives of course.

Then there are others include quite a few virtual machines that ship with wine's wined3d. Again another lot of Commercial Derivatives.

Stupid license fear is all that stops LGPL code from being used. If you don't have a correct licence auditing process you can be in trouble too.

[Rishi]

Thats why I suggested to use modified bsd-4 with linking exception.
Don't keep it gpl-compatible for so long, as I said, The project will die without traces because GPL is irrevokable.
Where can I get old version? Lgpl is not the best. Can anyone give a working link of old branch?

[3vi1]

It's extremely poor form to pop in and tell the developers what kind of license they should be using and why their current choice is all wrong without ever contributing any code. It makes it look like you simply want to get access to the code for a commercial venture without actually doing any of the development work.

As others have pointed out, the current licensing is the direct result of the problems that existed when the licensing was more permissive. Unlike the numerous misconceptions and assumptions in your first post, what has happened previously is historical fact.

Just thank your lucky stars Vitaliy did not see your post first.

[vitamin]

Just thank your lucky stars Vitaliy did not see your post first.

Exactly.

Topic closed as the worst form of trolling I've ever seen.

Rishi, if you don't won't to contribute - don't. Wine existed for many years without your contributions and will continue to exist. Also note that LGPL license didn't stop 1000s of people to work on Wine.