Lucerne

[jordan]

The LUK is trying to build into the kernel functions needed for Wine for
hardware support.  This project has a particular smell to it, and it is not
good.  We will have to wait and see what happens in the legal arena.

Part of that nasty smell, is having to run Linux always as ROOT user,
and wine apps as well. What a terrible idea.
You also have to disable SMP and other features of the linux kernel...

I actually emailed these jokers, about these issues, also the legal
ones, and I asked them how then can possibly think that there software
is GPL....? (which it no doubt violates) They didn't even reply.

I tested it out. I see absolutely no benefit from using it, and It's
also harder to make changes to Wine using LUK.

I wouldn't recommend this junk to any wine user/linux user. If used,
In the long run it will probably cause more grief than having any real
benefits. It will make your system less secure, unstable and likely
will result in hard lockups of linux. I experienced one in the first
10minutes of using it.

this implementation is straight up bad news.

jordan

[perryh]

jordan <[email protected]> wrote:

Part of that nasty smell, is having to run Linux always as
ROOT user, and wine apps as well. What a terrible idea.

Yecch. Sounds as if one thing they are emulating is the

DOS/Win9x security" model

I suppose it's tolerable if it is a temporary expedient,
to allow them to focus on the substance first and fix the
permissions/identities problem later.

[jordan]

hey,

Yecch.  Sounds as if one thing they are emulating is the

DOS/Win9x security" model

Yes, there are certain things they are trying to accomplish, that
require root at this point. They have no workarounds, apparently.

I suppose it's tolerable if it is a temporary expedient,
to allow them to focus on the substance first and fix the
permissions/identities problem later.

For me it's not tolerable. I need SMP enabled in the kernel, and also
software i am using requires that you DO NOT use it as root. some of
this software(linux apps), i am using directly in conjunction with
wine. So LUK is a complete waste of time, for me.

jordan

[perryh]

jordan <[email protected]> wrote:

I suppose [requiring root is] tolerable if it is a temporary
expedient, to allow them to focus on the substance first and
fix the permissions/identities problem later.

For me it's not tolerable ...

I meant, philosophically tolerable, in the sense that the choice to
work on other things first and this later is not of itself a bad
one. Clearly it does mean that you -- and quite likely others --
will be unable to use these early releases because of that choice.

OTOH, if they don't even have "don't require root" on their list of
capabilities that must be achieved for the work to be considered
"finished", I would consider that a serious shortcoming.

[jordan]

Hey,

I meant, philosophically tolerable, in the sense that the choice to
work on other things first and this later is not of itself a bad
one.  Clearly it does mean that you -- and quite likely others --
will be unable to use these early releases because of that choice.

Yes, i understand this, and why they have done things this way. It's
no different than the odd application that i have
had to install as "root", using wine, followed by me migrating the
app/registry into my /home/.wine. as non-root wouldn't work. there are
just certain things that require root with what they are trying to
do(for now anyway).

OTOH, if they don't even have "don't require root" on their list of
capabilities that must be achieved for the work to be considered
"finished", I would consider that a serious shortcoming.

Agreed, it is not anywhere near being complete. But there is still the
issues of having to disable SMP in the kernel, and things like
"disable heap randomization", etc. It requires you disable kernel
features that are commonly utilized by most modern PC's running Linux.
Why would i want to lesson my Linux experience, to have my system run
Windows, more integrated???
That seems like a really bad trade-off, for me anyway.

even if all of these issues are fixed, i still won't use it unless
either, A: Wine integrates it. or B: there are no sketchy-legalities
(in which case wine might use it) At this point though, it seems there
probably is some "grey area"(if not black-area..lol) with this
project, and that is probably putting it mildy.

jordan