wine software export to China restriction?

linpf · Post by **linpf** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:14 pm

Hi,

We want to include wine software and bundle our software to sell to China.
Does wine software (1.0.1) contain any encryption software in it?

What encryption algorithm is used in wine?

Does encryption algorithm used in wine prevent us to sell our software to China (subject to US exporting law)?

Thanks.

cnbiz850 · Post by **cnbiz850** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:32 pm

I can't answer your questions. But I am very curious on the status/prospects of Linux usage in China. Would you share some of your understanding about it? Is your software institutional or personal? I am based in China doing investments. I and my associates all use Linux and Wine to run securities analysis software. But my understanding is that we are the minorities. Most others in the industry use Windows as all software developers develop Windows software. I think they are crazy, so I advocate whenever possible about using/developing Linux. And they think I am crazy.

James McKenzie · Post by **James McKenzie** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:50 pm

linpf wrote:

Hi,

We want to include wine software and bundle our software to sell to China.
Does wine software (1.0.1) contain any encryption software in it?

What encryption algorithm is used in wine?

Does encryption algorithm used in wine prevent us to sell our software to China (subject to US exporting law)?

You really should get an export lawyer. This is WAY beyond the scope of
this project. However, Wine is being used in Hong Kong and mainland
China from what I've read here.

James McKenzie

quimkaos · Post by **quimkaos** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:38 pm

i don't think gnu/open source software can be restricted by US or UE (or any other country for that matter). isn't this US (land of the free that wish to free the oppressed) law restricted to companies and government institutions?

thou i think i can answer one of your question, maybe with another question: what encryption? you have all the source! no "proprietary" software here.

anyway like linpf "I am very curious on the status/prospects of Linux usage in China. " and specially this question!

DaVince · Post by **DaVince** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:11 am

linpf wrote:Hi,

We want to include wine software and bundle our software to sell to China.
Does wine software (1.0.1) contain any encryption software in it?

What encryption algorithm is used in wine?

Does encryption algorithm used in wine prevent us to sell our software to China (subject to US exporting law)?

Thanks.

No encryption, any sort of DRM, or usage restrictions on Wine itself, if that's what you're asking.

Before you include version 1.0.1 of Wine with your software, though, it might be a good idea to test out if the latest version (1.1.43) works better with your software. 1.1.43 generally runs a lot more software (and better) than the latest so-called "stable".

DaVince · Post by **DaVince** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:12 am

Woops, another note... When I said "no usage restrictions" you still of course have to follow Wine's license... But doesn't contain any weird clauses like "cannot be used in this country".

David C. Kerber · Post by **David C. Kerber** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:24 am

There is obviously a market for both Windows and Linux development (and Apple and zOS as well). Equally obviously, the windows market is much larger than any of those others. So any business needs to decide which market to target: the larger one with more competiton, or the smaller one but which has less competition.

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Subject: [Wine] Re: wine software export to China restriction?

I can't answer your questions. But I am very curious on the
status/prospects of Linux usage in China. Would you share
some of your understanding about it? Is your software
institutional or personal? I am based in China doing
investments. I and my associates all use Linux and Wine to
run securities analysis software. But my understanding is
that we are the minorities. Most others in the industry use
Windows as all software developers develop Windows software.
I think they are crazy, so I advocate whenever possible about
using/developing Linux. And they think I am crazy.

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linpf · Post by **linpf** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 2:47 pm

Just to be specific.

When I look at the release note of wine 1.1.41 (attached). I see these SHA-256, SHA-384 and SHA-512 algorithms there. Am I able to bundle wine software because these algorithms may contain "cryptographic function" and our bundled software is then Illegal for exporting to China.

The Wine development release 1.1.41 is now available.

What's new in this release:

* Support for SHA-256, SHA-384, and SHA-512 algorithms.

vitamin · Post by **vitamin** » Thu Apr 29, 2010 1:14 am

linpf wrote:When I look at the release note of wine 1.1.41 (attached). I see these SHA-256, SHA-384 and SHA-512 algorithms there. Am I able to bundle wine software because these algorithms may contain "cryptographic function" and our bundled software is then Illegal for exporting to China.

Yes, Wine does contain cryptographic functions and heavily relies on cryptographic functionality from other libraries.

Are they prohibited from exporting to China? You won't get an authoritative answer here. Consult your lawyer.

Gert van den Berg · Post by **Gert van den Berg** » Thu Apr 29, 2010 1:22 am

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 21:47, linpf <[email protected]> wrote:

Just to be specific.

When I look at the release note of wine 1.1.41 (attached). I see these SHA-256, SHA-384 and SHA-512 algorithms there. Am I able to bundle wine software because these algorithms may contain "cryptographic function" and our bundled software is then Illegal for exporting to China.

From where? Wine is hosted in the US, but you are unlikely the be
subject to the US's restrictions if you are not located in the US.
Consult a lawyer...

See this as well: http://www.bis.doc.gov/encryption/checklistinstr.htm

Gert

oiaohm · Post by **oiaohm** » Thu Apr 29, 2010 8:50 am

Wine is a user of crypt functions. So wine itself does not have export problems.

Now will all parts of wine work with the crypt functions libs missing most likely some stuff will not.

Correct question is what wine dependancies that wine can live without are on the wrong side of USA law. That is something past what I can answer.