Program Blocked?

zx12 · Post by **zx12** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 2:39 pm

I was trying to use one of my programs on Wine. A message came up saying
"Sorry, You may not use this EXE as your Running Wine. You may only run this EXE on Windows without Wine."

So uh, is there anything I can do about this?

austin987 · Post by **austin987** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 2:45 pm

On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 2:39 PM, zx12 <[email protected]> wrote:

I was trying to use one of my programs on Wine. A message came up saying
"Sorry, You may not use this EXE as your Running Wine. You may only run
this EXE on Windows without Wine."

So uh, is there anything I can do about this?

Apparently the program is detecting wine doesn't like this. You'll have to

take that up with the program's developer. Not much wine can do here.

What app is this?
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Paul Johnson · Post by **Paul Johnson** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 5:23 pm

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I was trying to use one of my programs on Wine. A message came up saying
"Sorry, You may not use this EXE as your Running Wine. You may only run
this EXE on Windows without Wine."

So uh, is there anything I can do about this?

Return that broken software and demand full refund: They don't want your
money.

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[email protected]
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Post by **dimesio** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 5:41 pm

I think this info should go in the AppDB. I'd like to know what app it is just so I can avoid buying it.

austin987 · Post by **austin987** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 6:57 pm

On 4/25/08, dimesio <[email protected]> wrote:

I think this info should go in the AppDB. I'd like to know what app it is
just so I can avoid buying it.

There's a slight chance you could getting it working by finding out how

it's detecting wine (shell variable/reg keys/etc.) Depending on how it's
broken, it may be fixable/able to be worked around, but this is a losing
battle and they author can change it at any time to ways that CAN'T be
fixed.

Please put an AppDB note in to help others avoid this program.
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Llewen · Post by **Llewen** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 6:59 pm

Idiot developers that do that kind of thing should be sued for
anti-competitive practices...

zx12 wrote:

I was trying to use one of my programs on Wine. A message came up saying
"Sorry, You may not use this EXE as your Running Wine. You may only run this EXE on Windows without Wine."

So uh, is there anything I can do about this?

zx12 · Post by **zx12** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:57 pm

I contacted the developer. He told me that "We do not support or want our programs run on Wine. If we wanted them to we wouldn't be blocking them. We also don't want our programs on Linux, if we did we would of programed Linux versions. The EULA states that you must use Windows to use our product."

austin987 · Post by **austin987** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:07 pm

On 4/25/08, zx12 <[email protected]> wrote:

I contacted the developer. He told me that "We do not support or want our
programs run on Wine. If we wanted them to we wouldn't be blocking them. We
also don't want our programs on Linux, if we did we would of programed Linux
versions. The EULA states that you must use Windows to use our product."

What application is this? Like Owen said, in some countries, this may be

illegal. The EU most likely would frown upon it...
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zx12 · Post by **zx12** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:24 pm

The program is called "Delta's Music Editor" (Hope you can find it, I've since deleted it as it doesn't work).

I contacted the guy again telling him it's illegal in some countries, he responded quickly.

"That doesn't matter, were based in Canada selling our software In Canada. If you don't like our program, don't use it, the requirements clearly stated that Windows was needed. NOT WINE! Please stop bothering us with this."

austin987 · Post by **austin987** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:33 pm

On 4/25/08, zx12 <[email protected]> wrote:

The program is called "Delta's Music Editor" (Hope you can find it, I've
since deleted it as it doesn't work).

I contacted the guy again telling him it's illegal in some countries, he
responded quickly.

"That doesn't matter, were based in Canada selling our software In Canada.
If you don't like our program, don't use it, the requirements clearly stated
that Windows was needed. NOT WINE! Please stop bothering us with this."

It may or may not, IANAL. But please add it in the AppDB and put this

information there.
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David Griffith · Post by **David Griffith** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:34 pm

On Fri, 25 Apr 2008, zx12 wrote:

The program is called "Delta's Music Editor" (Hope you can find it, I've
since deleted it as it doesn't work).

I contacted the guy again telling him it's illegal in some countries, he
responded quickly.

"That doesn't matter, were based in Canada selling our software In
Canada. If you don't like our program, don't use it, the requirements
clearly stated that Windows was needed. NOT WINE! Please stop bothering
us with this."

Google tells me nothing helpful. Do you remember the website you got it
from?

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David Griffith
[email protected]

oiaohm · Post by **oiaohm** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:35 pm

Ok great something that was hoped to be avoided.

Please inform the dumb company that wine registry keys and means to detect wine were only provided to help applications alter to suit wine.

If to many companies copy his company stunt all detectable markers that application in wine will be force to be removed. What is going to make there support process far harder. Since they will not know if a fault is a wine or a windows glitch and will have to waste more time debuging it.

They actions could have a direct effect on the development of wine making it harder for a lot of companies.

Also investage if this kind of limitation falls on the wrong side of discrimination laws over there.

Also note this kind of discrimination lock gives a open welcome mat to a lot of countries to completely crack the program without being able to be legally attacked for pirated software.

That kind of limitation is dumb.

zx12 · Post by **zx12** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:48 pm

@David Griffith: No I don't remember where I got it from. Sorry. I'll look on Google to see if I can find it.

@austin987: I'm not to sure on how to use the AppDB, I'll give it shot.

@oiaohm: But wouldn't cracking it be illegal? I could try explain this to the owner, if he'll even bother reading another email.

As for the legality of it, I have a buddy in Canada who knows a bit about the laws and he says it perfectly legal there to do this.

James McKenzie · Post by **James McKenzie** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:01 pm

zx12 wrote:

@David Griffith: No I don't remember where I got it from. Sorry. I'll look on Google to see if I can find it.

@austin987: I'm not to sure on how to use the AppDB, I'll give it shot.

@oiaohm: But wouldn't cracking it be illegal? I could try explain this to the owner, if he'll even bother reading another email.

Not in the European Union where this type of activity is illegal. Thus,
anyone there could crack it and then host it.

As for the legality of it, I have a buddy in Canada who knows a bit about the laws and he says it perfectly legal there to do this.

As it is in the United States, for now. However, there is a movement
started to basically make this illegal here too.

James McKenzie

Dan Kegel · Post by **Dan Kegel** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:18 pm

On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 6:48 PM, zx12 <[email protected]> wrote:

@David Griffith: No I don't remember where I got it from.
Sorry. I'll look on Google to see if I can find it.

If you can't find it, please forward that email from the developer
to [email protected]. Thanks!
- Dan

zx12 · Post by **zx12** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:32 pm

@James McKenzie: So, in the EU your allowed to crack software that does this? I will still think that anyone distributing cracked software would get busted.

Then again, couldn't companies just add that people in the EU can't use their software in their EULA's?

@Dan Kegel: I will do so.

austin987 · Post by **austin987** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:49 pm

On 4/25/08, zx12 <[email protected]> wrote:

@James McKenzie: So, in the EU your allowed to crack software that does
this? I will still think that anyone distributing cracked software would get
busted.

Then again, couldn't companies just add that people in the EU can't use
their software in their EULA's?

How would they enforce it? They can only enforce something where they have a
presence, which in this case is Canada. If they were based in the EU, then
the program wouldn't need to be cracked in the first place. I'm not sure if
the cracking is legal in the EU, however. It's ironic, I'm taking a
political science class on the EU now, but I learn more about the EU from /.
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Llewen · Post by **Llewen** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:20 am

I'm in Canada. It wouldn't surprise me if they could be successfully
sued here as well. However, I went looking for the software, and I
couldn't find it, so I'm guessing it's a pretty small company.

zx12 wrote:

The program is called "Delta's Music Editor" (Hope you can find it, I've since deleted it as it doesn't work).

I contacted the guy again telling him it's illegal in some countries, he responded quickly.

"That doesn't matter, were based in Canada selling our software In Canada. If you don't like our program, don't use it, the requirements clearly stated that Windows was needed. NOT WINE! Please stop bothering us with this."

James McKenzie · Post by **James McKenzie** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 6:11 am

zx12 wrote:

@James McKenzie: So, in the EU your allowed to crack software that does this? I will still think that anyone distributing cracked software would get busted.

Then again, couldn't companies just add that people in the EU can't use their software in their EULA's?

The European Union prohibits what this company is doing. You cannot
lock software to run only on a certain platform. In the United States
and Canada, you can, for now. Thus the company was legally correct in
that they can run a detector for Wine and then not allow their program
to run on Wine. However, it may be legal to 'crack' the program in the
EU (I'm not an expert on this) so that it can run on Wine. This would
be for the legal folks to work out. This may prove to be a real good
test case to run through their courts. I do know that it is illegal to
'crack' software security most anywhere. The problem with most security
programs is that they violate the 'one archive copy' provision of the
Digital Millennium Copy write Act (DMCA) in the United States, but no
one has challenged them to my knowledge. I would just stay away from
this program and use another, if it is available. No sales hurts a
company, the smaller the company, the more pain from lost sales.

James McKenzie

Paul Johnson · Post by **Paul Johnson** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 1:53 pm

On Saturday 26 April 2008 04:11:00 am James McKenzie wrote:

The problem with most security
programs is that they violate the 'one archive copy' provision of the
Digital Millennium Copy write Act (DMCA) in the United States, but no
one has challenged them to my knowledge.

I thought the one archive copy was from the copyright act of 1988.

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