We have launched a web forum front end to this mailing list. I wanted to
notify the subscribers of this list to that fact.
http://forum.winehq.org
If you prefer, you can now use this website to browse and post to the
list. Your posts will still be mailed out to the list, and posts to the
list will appear in the forum. You can continue to use the mailing list
as you always have if you prefer that method.
So far it has been working fairly well in our testing. But there still
may be a few kinks to work out. The best way to find to bugs is to get
people to use it, so here you go!
If you have suggestions, you can post them in the Suggestion Box on the
Forums web page.
Web Forums
Re: Web Forums
The first post in this thread was sent via the mailing list. This reply is sent from the Web Forum. This is just a sample to give us an idea how how the posting will appear on the list.jnewman wrote:We have launched a web forum front end to this mailing list. I wanted to
notify the subscribers of this list to that fact.
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Dan Kegel
Web Forums
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Jeremy Newman <[email protected]> wrote:
http://www.winehq.org/site/forums needs a bit of updating now, though.
Very nice. I look forward to seeing how it works out in practice.We have launched a web forum front end to this mailing list. I wanted to
notify the subscribers of this list to that fact.
http://forum.winehq.org
http://www.winehq.org/site/forums needs a bit of updating now, though.
Web Forums
There still seems to be an issue with it putting [Wine] in the subject
line. I think this is because it expects the prefix to really be
[wine-users]. Maybe we should change the prefix.
If I had my way I'd drop the prefix entirely. I filter off of the
message headers, but I'm sure that would upset some mailing list
subscribers.
Dan Kegel wrote:
line. I think this is because it expects the prefix to really be
[wine-users]. Maybe we should change the prefix.
If I had my way I'd drop the prefix entirely. I filter off of the
message headers, but I'm sure that would upset some mailing list
subscribers.
Dan Kegel wrote:
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Jeremy Newman <[email protected]> wrote:Very nice. I look forward to seeing how it works out in practice.We have launched a web forum front end to this mailing list. I wanted to
notify the subscribers of this list to that fact.
http://forum.winehq.org
http://www.winehq.org/site/forums needs a bit of updating now, though.
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David Gerard
Web Forums
On 23/02/2008, jnewman <[email protected]> wrote:
- d.
Someone's been taking too many lessons from http://www.forumwarz.com/ !Crap, we got our first porn poster. Freaking-a that didn't take very long. I deleted the post and banned the user. What is wrong with these people?
Sorry for that. Looks like I'm going to need some help moderating this site if that continues.
- d.
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Markus Hitter
Web Forums
Am 23.02.2008 um 01:20 schrieb Jeremy Newman:
ID:) set up filters now.
Markus
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Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter
http://www.jump-ing.de/
Please drop it. People should have learned how to properly (by List-If I had my way I'd drop the prefix entirely.
ID:) set up filters now.
Markus
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Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter
http://www.jump-ing.de/
Web Forums
On Saturday February 23 2008 00:20:57 Jeremy Newman wrote:
know all popular e-mail clients have filters that are capable of sorting
incoming mail without need of prefixes in the subject. And many mailing lists
don't have any kind of prefix in the subject anyway. IMHO, prefix can be
safely removed. If someone use prefix in the subject field they should fix
their configuration. BTW, wine-devel and wine-patches don't use prefix so I'm
wonder why wine-users use it...
Personally I don't see good technical reasons for such prefixes. As far as IThere still seems to be an issue with it putting [Wine] in the subject
line. I think this is because it expects the prefix to really be
[wine-users]. Maybe we should change the prefix.
If I had my way I'd drop the prefix entirely. I filter off of the
message headers, but I'm sure that would upset some mailing list
subscribers.
know all popular e-mail clients have filters that are capable of sorting
incoming mail without need of prefixes in the subject. And many mailing lists
don't have any kind of prefix in the subject anyway. IMHO, prefix can be
safely removed. If someone use prefix in the subject field they should fix
their configuration. BTW, wine-devel and wine-patches don't use prefix so I'm
wonder why wine-users use it...
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David Gerard
Web Forums
On 23/02/2008, Markus Hitter <[email protected]> wrote:
Gmail (b) presuming technical expertise on a *user* list is rather
arrogant and silly.
- d.
Am 23.02.2008 um 01:20 schrieb Jeremy Newman:
If I had my way I'd drop the prefix entirely.
Please do nothing of the sort. (a) it makes it MUCH more usable onPlease drop it. People should have learned how to properly (by List-
ID:) set up filters now.
Gmail (b) presuming technical expertise on a *user* list is rather
arrogant and silly.
- d.
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Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
Web Forums
On Saturday 23 February 2008, my mailbox was graced by a missive
from Markus Hitter <[email protected]> who wrote:
folder, sorted by list thanks to the different prefixes.
Cheers,
Ron.
--
As we enjoy great Advantages from the Inventions of others
we should be glad of an Opportunity to serve others by any
Invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously.
-- Benjamin Franklin
-- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --
from Markus Hitter <[email protected]> who wrote:
Please keep it, it allows keeping all the computer stuff posts in the samePlease drop it. People should have learned how to properly (by List-If I had my way I'd drop the prefix entirely.
ID:) set up filters now.
folder, sorted by list thanks to the different prefixes.
Cheers,
Ron.
--
As we enjoy great Advantages from the Inventions of others
we should be glad of an Opportunity to serve others by any
Invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously.
-- Benjamin Franklin
-- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --
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Dan Kegel
Web Forums
On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 5:36 AM, David Gerard <[email protected]> wrote:
I for one would love to see the prefix go.
- Dan
What's wrong with filtering by 'To: wine-users' ?If I had my way I'd drop the prefix entirely.Please do nothing of the sort. (a) it makes it MUCH more usable onPlease drop it. People should have learned how to properly (by List-
ID:) set up filters now.
Gmail
You may have a point there.(b) presuming technical expertise on a *user* list is rather
arrogant and silly.
I for one would love to see the prefix go.
- Dan
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James McKenzie
Web Forums
David Gerard wrote:
James
+1 to dropping [Wine] as a prefix. I sort by to and cc addresses.On 23/02/2008, Markus Hitter <[email protected]> wrote:
Am 23.02.2008 um 01:20 schrieb Jeremy Newman:
If I had my way I'd drop the prefix entirely.Please do nothing of the sort. (a) it makes it MUCH more usable onPlease drop it. People should have learned how to properly (by List-
ID:) set up filters now.
Gmail (b) presuming technical expertise on a *user* list is rather
arrogant and silly.
- d.
James
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Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
Web Forums
On Saturday 23 February 2008, my mailbox was graced by a missive
from James McKenzie <[email protected]> who wrote:
Cheers,
Ron.
--
So many beautiful women,
and so little time.
-- John Barrymore
-- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --
from James McKenzie <[email protected]> who wrote:
-1, I sort (in the Linux folder) by subject line.+1 to dropping [Wine] as a prefix. I sort by to and cc addresses.
Cheers,
Ron.
--
So many beautiful women,
and so little time.
-- John Barrymore
-- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --
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Alan McKinnon
Web Forums
On Saturday 23 February 2008, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
List-Id: Wine Users Mailing List <wine-users.winehq.org>
It's in the headers of every mail sent from the wine-users mailing list.
THAT'S what you should use to filter, not the subject line.
And this header:
User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6
Is in your mail. Your mailer has supported filtering by List-ID since
like forever.
Prefixes are useful in Subject lines if you have heaps of mail in one
folder and need to filter, sort or search by eye. Automatic filtering
should not be using this highly unreliable method.
--
Alan McKinnon
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Correct feature, but hopelessly wrong reason. See this?On Saturday 23 February 2008, my mailbox was graced by a missive
from Markus Hitter <[email protected]> who wrote:Please keep it, it allows keeping all the computer stuff posts in thePlease drop it. People should have learned how to properly (byIf I had my way I'd drop the prefix entirely.
List- ID:) set up filters now.
same folder, sorted by list thanks to the different prefixes.
List-Id: Wine Users Mailing List <wine-users.winehq.org>
It's in the headers of every mail sent from the wine-users mailing list.
THAT'S what you should use to filter, not the subject line.
And this header:
User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6
Is in your mail. Your mailer has supported filtering by List-ID since
like forever.
Prefixes are useful in Subject lines if you have heaps of mail in one
folder and need to filter, sort or search by eye. Automatic filtering
should not be using this highly unreliable method.
--
Alan McKinnon
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
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Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
Web Forums
On Saturday 23 February 2008, my mailbox was graced by a missive
from Alan McKinnon <[email protected]> who wrote:
Cheers,
Ron.
--
Excellent day to have a rotten day.
-- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --
from Alan McKinnon <[email protected]> who wrote:
Which is exactly what I do, and the reason I would like it to remain.Prefixes are useful in Subject lines if you have heaps of mail in one
folder and need to filter, sort or search by eye.
Cheers,
Ron.
--
Excellent day to have a rotten day.
-- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --
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Rico Schüller
Web Forums
Could you also delete this post http://forum.winehq.org/viewtopic.php?t=26 ?
jnewman wrote:
jnewman wrote:
Crap, we got our first porn poster. Freaking-a that didn't take very long. I deleted the post and banned the user. What is wrong with these people?
Sorry for that. Looks like I'm going to need some help moderating this site if that continues.
-
David Gerard
Web Forums
On 23/02/2008, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <[email protected]> wrote:
Precisely. Deliberately making a user list hard to use in the ways
users typically use a list is stupidly arrogant.
- d.
On Saturday 23 February 2008, my mailbox was graced by a missive
from Alan McKinnon <[email protected]> who wrote:
Prefixes are useful in Subject lines if you have heaps of mail in one
folder and need to filter, sort or search by eye.
Which is exactly what I do, and the reason I would like it to remain.
Precisely. Deliberately making a user list hard to use in the ways
users typically use a list is stupidly arrogant.
- d.
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Markus Hitter
Web Forums
Am 23.02.2008 um 15:32 schrieb Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI:
location, then.
Markus
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Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter
http://www.jump-ing.de/
Messages forwarded from one list to another list fall into the wrongOn Saturday 23 February 2008, my mailbox was graced by a missive
from James McKenzie <[email protected]> who wrote:
-1, I sort (in the Linux folder) by subject line.+1 to dropping [Wine] as a prefix. I sort by to and cc addresses.
location, then.
Markus
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Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter
http://www.jump-ing.de/
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free pics click herejnewman wrote:Crap, we got our first porn poster. Freaking-a that didn't take very long. I deleted the post and banned the user. What is wrong with these people?
Sorry for that. Looks like I'm going to need some help moderating this site if that continues.
Seriously... phpBB is pretty exploited. Easiest way to keep the spammers off is to change some of the defaults, such as .php extensions, rename posting.php, or anthing a bot would be hard-programmed with.
I actually stopped 100% of spam on my boards by putting a question at the bottom by the submit button.
-Tres
Web Forums
On Saturday February 23 2008 17:57:17 Sylvain Petreolle wrote:
filter messages using To, From, CC fields. Why? Because this is most
universal approach that can be used not only with
mailing lists that correctly set List-ID but with e-mail messages of any kind.
So I can sort mailing lists, some news messages, messages from other
people who very often send me e-mails, and so on... So what I said is true -
there is no technical reasons to have prefix in subject; but this doesn't
mean there is no social or other reasons to have it! Of course they do exist.
Therefore if there is some people who like this - fine, let's keep it "as
is".
Personally I don't care about this issue. Just because I can remove [Wine]
prefix by piping them through sed 's/\[Wine\] //' if I wish. This is standard
function of my e-mail client. And in fact I use sed in my filters a lot.
However I do not remove [Wine] prefix because I don't care enough...
In short, my opinion is simple: even if there is no good technical reason for
[Wine] prefix let's keep it if there is some users who likes it - and as it
clear from this discussion there are a lot of such users. Therefore [Wine]
prefix shouldn't be removed.
This isn't a problem actually. For example, personally I don't use List-ID. IKind regards,
Sylvain Petreolle (aka Usurp)
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Envoyé le : Samedi, 23 Février 2008, 9h59mn 49s
Objet : Re: [Wine] Web Forums
On Saturday February 23 2008 00:20:57 Jeremy Newman wrote:Personally I don't see good technical reasons for such prefixes. AsThere still seems to be an issue with it putting [Wine] in the subject
line. I think this is because it expects the prefix to really be
[wine-users]. Maybe we should change the prefix.
If I had my way I'd drop the prefix entirely. I filter off of the
message headers, but I'm sure that would upset some mailing list
subscribers.
far as I
know all popular e-mail clients have filters that are capable of sorting
incoming mail without need of prefixes in the subject. And many mailing
lists don't have any kind of prefix in the subject anyway. IMHO, prefix
can be safely removed. If someone use prefix in the subject field they
should fix their configuration. BTW, wine-devel and wine-patches don't
use prefix so I'm wonder why wine-users use it...
many web mail clients dont offer the ability to use List-ID as a filter
criteria.
filter messages using To, From, CC fields. Why? Because this is most
universal approach that can be used not only with
mailing lists that correctly set List-ID but with e-mail messages of any kind.
So I can sort mailing lists, some news messages, messages from other
people who very often send me e-mails, and so on... So what I said is true -
there is no technical reasons to have prefix in subject; but this doesn't
mean there is no social or other reasons to have it! Of course they do exist.
Therefore if there is some people who like this - fine, let's keep it "as
is".
Personally I don't care about this issue. Just because I can remove [Wine]
prefix by piping them through sed 's/\[Wine\] //' if I wish. This is standard
function of my e-mail client. And in fact I use sed in my filters a lot.
However I do not remove [Wine] prefix because I don't care enough...
In short, my opinion is simple: even if there is no good technical reason for
[Wine] prefix let's keep it if there is some users who likes it - and as it
clear from this discussion there are a lot of such users. Therefore [Wine]
prefix shouldn't be removed.
-
Kevin Horton
Web Forums
I vote we start a new mail list to discuss "issues" with the wine-
users mailing list. Then we can use the wine-users mailing list to
discuss issues that users have with wine.
--
Kevin Horton
users mailing list. Then we can use the wine-users mailing list to
discuss issues that users have with wine.
--
Kevin Horton
Web Forums
On Saturday February 23 2008 18:43:23 Kevin Horton wrote:
future it will be much less (at it usual level as in past years)... So I don't
think that just one such discussion is enough to create separate list.
By the way, some mail clients sort messages by topic in tree very nicely
(KMail for example). Very useful feature. However don't know how many other
clients support this. This is just a note based on my personal experience and
not another (off)topic for discussion.
Well I think this is just temporary high activity about this topic. InI vote we start a new mail list to discuss "issues" with the wine-
users mailing list. Then we can use the wine-users mailing list to
discuss issues that users have with wine.
--
Kevin Horton
future it will be much less (at it usual level as in past years)... So I don't
think that just one such discussion is enough to create separate list.
By the way, some mail clients sort messages by topic in tree very nicely
(KMail for example). Very useful feature. However don't know how many other
clients support this. This is just a note based on my personal experience and
not another (off)topic for discussion.
-
David Gerard
Web Forums
Asking people with phpBB experience, the main things you need are:
1. captcha or similar for account registrations
2. moderate all registrations that make it past that
3. mods who like phpBB forums and catch and block as needed the people
who make it past that.
Some moderation on the gateway to the list would be useful as well.
I use Akismet on my WordPress blog and it's fantastic. There's a phpBB port:
http://www.eadz.co.nz/blog/article/phpbb-akismet.html
- though I know that a lot of wine-users posts get caught by my
various spam filters (presumably because there's so much spam for
warez copies of Windows programs), so I'd review and train it
carefully.
Various other ideas:
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=57141
http://boonedocks.net/mike/archives/49- ... -Spam.html
http://boonedocks.net/mike/categories/9-PHPBB
http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=427852
(I am not volunteering as a mod myself!)
- d.
1. captcha or similar for account registrations
2. moderate all registrations that make it past that
3. mods who like phpBB forums and catch and block as needed the people
who make it past that.
Some moderation on the gateway to the list would be useful as well.
I use Akismet on my WordPress blog and it's fantastic. There's a phpBB port:
http://www.eadz.co.nz/blog/article/phpbb-akismet.html
- though I know that a lot of wine-users posts get caught by my
various spam filters (presumably because there's so much spam for
warez copies of Windows programs), so I'd review and train it
carefully.
Various other ideas:
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=57141
http://boonedocks.net/mike/archives/49- ... -Spam.html
http://boonedocks.net/mike/categories/9-PHPBB
http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=427852
(I am not volunteering as a mod myself!)
- d.
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Paul Johnson
Web Forums
On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 5:36 AM, David Gerard <[email protected]> wrote:
is good for is wasting subject-line space in indexes. Gmail has the
ability to sort by list-id and tag as such.
in 1977 is a pretty bad one today.
--
Paul Johnson
[email protected]
Not really. I'm using gmail right now, and the only thing the prefixOn 23/02/2008, Markus Hitter <[email protected]> wrote:Am 23.02.2008 um 01:20 schrieb Jeremy Newman:If I had my way I'd drop the prefix entirely.Please do nothing of the sort. (a) it makes it MUCH more usable onPlease drop it. People should have learned how to properly (by List-
ID:) set up filters now.
Gmail
is good for is wasting subject-line space in indexes. Gmail has the
ability to sort by list-id and tag as such.
Assuming the world is as ignorant about computers as Aunt Nellie was(b) presuming technical expertise on a *user* list is rather
arrogant and silly.
in 1977 is a pretty bad one today.
--
Paul Johnson
[email protected]
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Paul Johnson
Web Forums
On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 8:57 AM, David Gerard <[email protected]> wrote:
stupid and ignorant, then you're right: Bringing the list to this
decade's mailing list standards would be stupidly arrogant. If you're
catering to people who are presumably using current software, then
there is no technical or social reason to keep living in the past.
That being said, if you can't handle List-ID filtering by this point
in time, what possible hope do you have of 1) contributing
constructively, or 2) getting wine to work at all?
--
Paul Johnson
[email protected]
It depends on who you're catering to. If you're catering to theOn 23/02/2008, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <[email protected]> wrote:On Saturday 23 February 2008, my mailbox was graced by a missive
from Alan McKinnon <[email protected]> who wrote:Prefixes are useful in Subject lines if you have heaps of mail in one
folder and need to filter, sort or search by eye.Precisely. Deliberately making a user list hard to use in the waysWhich is exactly what I do, and the reason I would like it to remain.
users typically use a list is stupidly arrogant.
stupid and ignorant, then you're right: Bringing the list to this
decade's mailing list standards would be stupidly arrogant. If you're
catering to people who are presumably using current software, then
there is no technical or social reason to keep living in the past.
That being said, if you can't handle List-ID filtering by this point
in time, what possible hope do you have of 1) contributing
constructively, or 2) getting wine to work at all?
--
Paul Johnson
[email protected]
