Usefull dll overrides

Frank · Post by **Frank** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:09 pm

I've been trying to get a game running that is sooo close, but just not there, and I see from the Office 2007 thread that other people are pretty much shooting in the dark about which dll overrides are useful for different things too.
I was wondering if we could gather the different overrides that work for different apps and put them in one place, maybe make it sticky? Maybe we need one list for games that have 3d problems, and another for apps that have specific requirements.
Does anyone else think this might help? I know that there are several recommendations in the AppDB of dlls that work for different programs, but I think it might be nice to find them all in one place, just to have a starting place for getting unlisted apps to work.

vitamin · Post by **vitamin** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:12 pm

Frank wrote:I've been trying to get a game running that is sooo close, but just not there, and I see from the Office 2007 thread that other people are pretty much shooting in the dark about which dll overrides are useful for different things too.
I was wondering if we could gather the different overrides that work for different apps and put them in one place, maybe make it sticky? Maybe we need one list for games that have 3d problems, and another for apps that have specific requirements.
Does anyone else think this might help? I know that there are several recommendations in the AppDB of dlls that work for different programs, but I think it might be nice to find them all in one place, just to have a starting place for getting unlisted apps to work.

Not so easy. Most 3D related native dlls can't be used on Wine. The only exceptions are d3dx9_xx. Quartz dlls don't count because they are not 3D related.

Jim · Post by **Jim** » Fri Apr 04, 2008 3:15 am

Frank wrote:I've been trying to get a game running that is sooo close, but just not there, and I see from the Office 2007 thread that other people are pretty much shooting in the dark about which dll overrides are useful for different things too.
I was wondering if we could gather the different overrides that work for different apps and put them in one place, maybe make it sticky? Maybe we need one list for games that have 3d problems, and another for apps that have specific requirements.
Does anyone else think this might help? I know that there are several recommendations in the AppDB of dlls that work for different programs, but I think it might be nice to find them all in one place, just to have a starting place for getting unlisted apps to work.

The AppDB is all in one place. I don't see how duplicating it in a sticky helps. If a workaround to a Wine bug (i.e. a DLL override) is relevant to a particular application it should be listed on the AppDB page for that application as well as a link to the bug in Bugzilla.

The forums are better suited as a tool for discovering what workarounds work for an application though discussion. After the discovery of such information, we should make a more concerted effort to insure that information is added to the AppDB.

Forums/mailing-lists are tools for discussion not storage of data and documents. IMHO stickies should be limited to short abstracts of popular information sources and where to find them (eg wiki articles, the AppDB, etc).

Just my $0.02.

Paul Johnson · Post by **Paul Johnson** » Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:30 am

Does anyone else think
this might help? I know that there are several recommendations in the AppDB
of dlls that work for different programs, but I think it might be nice to
find them all in one place, just to have a starting place for getting
unlisted apps to work.

This would not help. Putting this information in a sticky would be putting
this information in two places. The AppDB is a single place. Wine's
defaults are your starting place to get unlisted apps to work: It's not like
the defaults aren't sane.

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Paul Johnson
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Frank · Post by **Frank** » Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:59 am

Jim wrote,
The AppDB is all in one place. I don't see how duplicating it in a sticky helps. If a workaround to a Wine bug (i.e. a DLL override) is relevant to a particular application it should be listed on the AppDB page for that application as well as a link to the bug in Bugzilla.

You're right Jim, I think the appdb is where the workarounds need to end up. What I think I need to do is research what native win32 dlls do ,so I can make sensible choices when trying different settings in the Library tab of the configurator dialog.
ie: I wouldn't expect changing wsock32 to native/builtin to help with a video tearing issue that I was trying to fix, but maybe some other change will help.
I remember reading in one app in the DB that changing quartz to native/builtin can help with sound overlap or stuttering. That is the kind of thing I'm thinking would be useful to try to list.
Thanks, Frank

Dan Kegel · Post by **Dan Kegel** » Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:18 pm

On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Frank <[email protected]> wrote:

What I think I need to do is research what native win32 dlls do ,
so I can make sensible choices when trying different settings in
the Library tab of the configurator dialog.

Well, yes... but every time you find that a native DLL works
better than the one built in to wine, please make sure there's
a bug report for the problem. Using native DLLs is a
crutch we want to get away from. It's ok to use them to
figure out where Wine's bugs are, and to work around them
temporarily, but let's make sure we capture that information
so the developers can make Wine better.
- Dan

Frank · Post by **Frank** » Fri Apr 04, 2008 4:38 pm

Using native DLLs is a
crutch we want to get away from

I bet in the not too distant future there will be windows apps that run better in wine than on the native platform. I think the devs are doing a great job already. When I look back at the first time I ran wine on Red Hat 5.2 and they really hoped that notepad.exe would work "out of the box" , and now I look at the AppDB and see literally hundreds of working programs I stand in awe. Good job all you guys and gals..

oh, BTW, I found the link to the list of dlls and simple one line descriptions of what they are for, I'll post it here in case anyone else is wondering what does what.

http://wiki.winehq.org/Developers-Hints

Frank

Susan Cragin · Post by **Susan Cragin** » Fri Apr 04, 2008 5:32 pm

Well, for a while Dragon NaturallySpeaking 9.0 Preferred ran faster (for me) in Wine through Notepad than it did in Windows XP. (Vista of course is slower.) The Ubuntu Hardy sound issues have put it back to just parity, but that's still pretty good.
In a couple of months, I expect that people looking for only continuous speech recognition, such as court reporters, will start to prefer Linux and wine.

-----Original Message-----

From: Frank <[email protected]>
Sent: Apr 4, 2008 5:38 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Wine] Re: Usefull dll overrides

Using native DLLs is a
crutch we want to get away from

I bet in the not too distant future there will be windows apps that run better in wine than on the native platform. I think the devs are doing a great job already. When I look back at the first time I ran wine on Red Hat 5.2 and they really hoped that notepad.exe would work "out of the box" , and now I look at the AppDB and see literally hundreds of working programs I stand in awe. Good job all you guys and gals..

oh, BTW, I found the link to the list of dlls and simple one line descriptions of what they are for, I'll post it here in case anyone else is wondering what does what.

http://wiki.winehq.org/Developers-Hints

Frank

Paul Johnson · Post by **Paul Johnson** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:49 am

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On Friday 04 April 2008 02:38:28 pm Frank wrote:

I bet in the not too distant future there will be windows apps that run
better in wine than on the native platform.

We're there now with GTA III and Vice City.

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[email protected]
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