Is Wine taking my donations and giving them to CrossOver?

James McKenzie · Post by **James McKenzie** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 7:22 pm

muncrief wrote:

Well I must say.

I certainly feel like a fool now.

Don't. Codeweavers sells a commercial version of Wine, much like Red
Hat sells a commercial version of Linux. Both contribute greatly to
their respective projects.

I have been contributing to Wine for about five months, and was shocked to see a blatant advertisement for CrossOver, who take the hard work of those who have contributed their intellect for free and sell it for profit, on your home page.

You have definitely been contributing to Wine. Codeweavers may provide
most of the support for Wine, but they do not contribute to all of the
support needed.

I then discovered through your own FAQ that most Wine developers are employed by CrossOver.

Yes, they are. Actually, they are employed by Codeweavers to work on
the CrossOver project.

Is this legal?

Yes. It is legal to work for an employer that supports the project you
love. It is a great thing to be paid doing what you love.

To claim you are an open source project and take money from those contributing in good faith, and give it to a private for profit company?.

The Wine project does not do this. They do, however, accept code
updates from the CrossOver product as well as many other contributors
(and I may be one of them.)

I don't think so.

So I must be misunderstanding something.

You are. So let us set the story straight. Some of the Wine
contributors work for CodeWeavers, who make a commercial product,
CrossOver. Any updates and fixes from CrossOver are fed back, almost
immediately, to Wine. This provides a great source of updates and in
many cases, the fixes you want are produced by these fine folks.
Without CodeWeavers and the CrossOver product, Wine would be basically
non-existent and there would be no massive effort to bring the Windows
API to Linux/UNIX.

Could someone please explain, clearly, whether Wine is an open source project or not? And whether or not Wine purposely cripples it's game playing and other capabilities so that CrossOver can prosper?

Wine is Open Source. You can modify it any way you find meets your
needs, within legal limits, and provide your updates back to the
project. Wine in no way or fashion is crippleware.

There must be a logical explanation, or people who were fooled into donating would have sued Wine for fraud long ago.

Logical explaination: Codeweavers is a company that produces a
commercial product: CrossOver from the Wine base. They also send any
fixes back to that base. Many of the folks at Codeweavers are Wine
developers and programmers. Without Codeweavers, Wine would not be
where it is today. The same could be said for Linux. Without the
popularity of Red Hat Linux and its derivatives (CentOS is only one of
them), Linux would not be as popular today and as well built.

Thus, your monies are going to help support those areas of the Wine
project that are not supported by Codeweavers. If this were not true,
both the Wine project and Codeweavers would be in legal trouble.

James McKenzie

David Gerard · Post by **David Gerard** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 9:09 am

On 28/03/2008, muncrief <[email protected]> wrote:

Well I must say.
I certainly feel like a fool now.
I have been contributing to Wine for about five months, and was shocked to see a blatant advertisement for CrossOver, who take the hard work of those who have contributed their intellect for free and sell it for profit, on your home page.
I then discovered through your own FAQ that most Wine developers are employed by CrossOver.
Is this legal?

I vote this thread "troll of the month."

- d.

Dotan Cohen · Post by **Dotan Cohen** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 11:57 am

On 30/03/2008, David Gerard <[email protected]> wrote:

I vote this thread "troll of the month."

Not at all. The OP had a very good question, and pointed out that
something that should be very clear, isn't.

Dotan Cohen

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Reece Dunn · Post by **Reece Dunn** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 5:12 pm

On 30/03/2008, David Gerard <[email protected]> wrote:

On 28/03/2008, muncrief <[email protected]> wrote:

Well I must say.
I certainly feel like a fool now.
I have been contributing to Wine for about five months, and was shocked to see a blatant advertisement for CrossOver, who take the hard work of those who have contributed their intellect for free and sell it for profit, on your home page.
I then discovered through your own FAQ that most Wine developers are employed by CrossOver.
Is this legal?
I vote this thread "troll of the month."

That's unfair. The original poster had a valid question and was
confused, so misinterpreted things. How does that qualify for "troll
of the month"?

- Reece

James McKenzie · Post by **James McKenzie** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:42 pm

David Gerard wrote:

On 28/03/2008, muncrief <[email protected]> wrote:

Well I must say.
I certainly feel like a fool now.
I have been contributing to Wine for about five months, and was shocked to see a blatant advertisement for CrossOver, who take the hard work of those who have contributed their intellect for free and sell it for profit, on your home page.
I then discovered through your own FAQ that most Wine developers are employed by CrossOver.
Is this legal?

I vote this thread "troll of the month."

- d.

-1. The OP had and probably still has a legitimate question about the
use of his monies. Hopefully the answers given here have changed
his/her mind about donating to Wine and the role Codeweavers plays with
the Wine project. It certainly has changed mine (I donate time, which
is the same as money.)

James McKenzie