Copy files from Original Windows CD,possible?

angelnonis · Post by **angelnonis** » Sun May 10, 2009 7:05 am

Hi, I have one idea and I want to share it with you.
First of all I want to say Wine is an amazing project for Linux,personally I believe is the most critical project for Linux. Because If Windows Users can run the Windows Programs in the Linux the most of them they will change OS by the same day.
Well my idea is simple but I don't know is its is technical possible to work.
I think all the Users that they use Wine is because it was Windows users and was use before Windows program that don't exist is linux.. Like Photoshop... etc
So the users that they want Wine basically is Users that they try to change Os but they can't because they want some programs to work with them,like me. These users means have the Original Windows CD/DVD...
My Idea is , If we buy the original DVD of Windows ,is possible to get the files of Windows and but it ine the Wine to get the 100% compatibility of it?
I think now the Wine programmers they make open source part of Windows Apps, why we can't make a copy of them from the original Windows? By this way we get all the compatibly that we need in no time,so is like to have all Windows Apps but with all Linux positives ...
If these is possible and get all the compatibility of Windows programs many users will change OS in the same Day.
I believe this is possible because I have Windows Live CD that runs Windows from the CD Live..
Thanks for reading, I hope the Wine project continues the new good releases.. Btw the Wine-Doors is a grade program that helps me to
Installed easy lot of programs. Is good Idea to merge it with Wine..

Thanks for this nice Open project!

Freakazo · Post by **Freakazo** » Sun May 10, 2009 7:22 am

Sadly, that is not how it works.
Because Linux cannot understand how windows programs work, wine has to translate system calls to work in Linux.
So wine is basically a translator (at least that's how I see it).
So wine can't just use those windows files since they are windows files which Linux can't understand.

angelnonis · Post by **angelnonis** » Sun May 10, 2009 8:06 am

Thanks ,i didn't know that.
The Wine project is possible to support all Windows Application by translating system calls in future?
Windows 7 it use the Visualization technology to Run Windows XP application, by this technology is possible to Run Windows Application ,Games ,Windows drivers etc in Linux?

Freakazo · Post by **Freakazo** » Sun May 10, 2009 8:37 am

Virtualization is a whole over story. A long story.
But basically with Virtualization you run another OS(Operating System) inside an OS, so in the end you will basically still use Windows. The only problem with virtualisation is that it can't let the guest OS use all of the hardware such as graphics cards, sound cards etc.
So it's easier to just dual boot Linux and Windows until wine get's better support for the application that you want to use.

The Wine project is possible to support all Windows Application?

That's what the Wine developers are seeking to do

Windows 7 it use the Visualization technology to Run Windows XP application

Details about how windows 7 will do that is kind of sketchy atm, but it looks like it will almost be a complete virtual machine seamlessly integrated into your desktop, much like on of Virtualbox's features. But windows 7 technique will still have the same fundamental features and flaws as normal virtualization techniques ( guest OS can't use all of the hardware such as graphics cards, sound cards etc.) so installing drivers ment for XP and running games with that won't be an option.

this technology is possible to Run Windows Application ,Games ,Windows drivers etc in Linux?

With Virtualization you won't be able to fully use the graphics card or other hardware (except the CPU and a predetermined amount of RAM) so drivers and games won't work under a Virtualized OS.

angelnonis · Post by **angelnonis** » Sun May 10, 2009 9:25 am

So with few words we can say ,Windows Visualization is useless.
The only choice that we have is to wait the day does Wine Support all Windows Application "The day after Windows"

So lets we hope that day comes soon. Is sounds like never will be possible that because the Time runs and the Windows changes too. Wine project is hard to comes true but I hope to comes.
Freakazo Thanks for all the Information!

Gert van den Berg · Post by **Gert van den Berg** » Sun May 10, 2009 12:59 pm

On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 15:37, Freakazo <[email protected]> wrote:

With Virtualization you won't be able to fully use the graphics card or other hardware (except the CPU and a predetermined amount of RAM) so drivers and games won't work under a Virtualized OS.

That is changing, quite a few VM's support OpenGL (VirtualBox, maybe
VMWare Workstation, Parallels) and some are supporting DirectX using
Wine DLL's. (Not sure how this is done, the virtual driver probably
intercepts calls, the VM adapts it for running in a possible
non-fullscreen mode and passes it on to the host OS)

MS might be able to implement a DirectX interface as well...

Of course virtualization still requires huge amounts of RAM and needs
to emulate quite a bit of hardware, which is bad for performance.

Gert

vitamin · Post by **vitamin** » Sun May 10, 2009 2:04 pm

Gert van den Berg wrote:Of course virtualization still requires huge amounts of RAM and needs to emulate quite a bit of hardware, which is bad for performance.

It always be. Running 2 kernels at the same time will never improve performance.

I'm not even talking about all the crap windoze has in user space. And don't forget as an OS highly susceptible to viruses, malware, etc one will have to combat that too one way or the other.

Freakazo · Post by **Freakazo** » Sun May 10, 2009 9:16 pm

[/quote]That is changing, quite a few VM's support OpenGL (VirtualBox, maybe
VMWare Workstation, Parallels) and some are supporting DirectX using
Wine DLL's.
[/quote]

Yip, virtualbox OSE has support for opengl hardware acceleration and it even has a built in function to install wined3d

I don't think it intercepts anything, it just replaces the directx DLL files which sends out opengl functions instead of direct3d functions. But actually I have no idea how it works

vitamin · Post by **vitamin** » Sun May 10, 2009 10:18 pm

Freakazo wrote:I don't think it intercepts anything, it just replaces the directx DLL files which sends out opengl functions instead of direct3d functions. But actually I have no idea how it works

It works the same as Wine since it indeed uses Wine's D3D implementation. So you won't get anything more then you get from Wine in d3d department. All the Wine bugs will still be there.