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--- On Fri, 2/8/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:

From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: wine-users Digest, Vol 31, Issue 9
To: [email protected]
Date: Friday, February 8, 2008, 10:00 AM

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: One application that I would like to see work.
(A. Tres Finocchiaro)
2. Re: One application that I would like to see work. (Dotan Cohen)
3. Re: One application that I would like to see work.
(James Hawkins)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 10:32:46 -0500
From: "A. Tres Finocchiaro" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Wine] One application that I would like to see work.
To: "Dotan Cohen" <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Message-ID:
<[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Opera only works for certain platforms and closed source, so its inherently
a disease to the idea behind Linux.

In some cases, its worth paying for pre-compiled versions of proprietary
software for linux. IBM does this for x86 for their lotus notes
application, and also for their iSeries Client access.

I'm not saying I don't support the idea, but that company's site
looks like
they're relatively small. To ask a community to bombard them with emails
is
rude and selfish.

Photoshop is on a different scale, it is a standard, and part of today's
every-day vocabulary. Using photoshop as an example of an application that
you "don't use", but "still request linux support for"
is a weak argument.

There is certainly a contradiction between "runs on Linux" and
"closed
source" Linux and the Open Unixes are the only widespread PC operating
systems to change Kernels on a monthly basis, and they're the only thing
out
that can be compiled to run on any platform. As long as new platforms are
developed, more requests for precompiled close source applications will
surface, and you will again be sending this SPAM email to a bunch of people
that don't program their own joysticks.


-Tres



On Fri, Feb 8, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Dotan Cohen <[email protected]> wrote:

On 08/02/2008, A. Tres Finocchiaro <[email protected]>

wrote:

They do offer a wide range of Windows versions. Programming hardware

is

probably a rarity through wine. How often do you need to do this?

Would a

VMWare + Windows combination suffice?

The issue with companies programming for Linux is they'd most

often need

to

open up the source (alternately they could write it in java, or

release

a

binary for each platform).

Oh, is Opera written in Java, or open source? Is Matematica? There is
no contradiction between "runs on Linux" and "closed

source".

My suggestion for you is to reverse engineer
their software, or find out what wine is missing.

I don't know one person
that needs this software, so I can't justify sending them the

request,

sorry!

I don't know one person who needs Photoshop. But I still requested
that Adobe port it. In fact, I bug them every few months on the
subject. But I will tell you the name of one person who does need the
aforementioned software: Saurian (The OP).

Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 18:09:50 +0200
From: "Dotan Cohen" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Wine] One application that I would like to see work.
To: "A. Tres Finocchiaro" <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Message-ID:
<[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

On 08/02/2008, A. Tres Finocchiaro <[email protected]> wrote:

Opera only works for certain platforms and closed source, so its

inherently

a disease to the idea behind Linux.

I will not get into a religious debate with you. As an end user, I use
the products that fit my workflow, regardless of philosophy. And I pay
what they cost. I use Linux because it is a tool that does what I need
better than the alternatives. I use Opera because it is a tool that
does what i need better than the alternatives. Actually, I'm using
Firefox at the moment because with certain extensions, it fits my work
better than Opera.

In some cases, its worth paying for pre-compiled versions of proprietary
software for linux. IBM does this for x86 for their lotus notes
application, and also for their iSeries Client access.

Agreed.

I'm not saying I don't support the idea, but that company's

site looks like

they're relatively small. To ask a community to bombard them with

emails is

rude and selfish.

I understand the point, based on the size of the company. However, I
think that we should start telling these companies that we need Linux
solutions, instead of crying that they ignore us. Of course they
ignore Linux users. _We_ need to contact _them_.

Photoshop is on a different scale, it is a standard, and part of

today's

every-day vocabulary. Using photoshop as an example of an application

that

you "don't use", but "still request linux support

for" is a weak argument.

I find the Gimp find for the little work that I do. However, I am
aware that people exist who were raised on Photoshop and need that
tool. I'm even enough of a jerk to help them by contacting Adobe and
backing them up. And you know what? I've already resolved myself to
trying Photoshop again (last used version 5.5) when it's available on
Linux. I'll buy the software if I see that it is an improvement over
Gimp.

There is certainly a contradiction between "runs on Linux" and

"closed

source" Linux and the Open Unixes are the only widespread PC

operating

systems to change Kernels on a monthly basis, and they're the only

thing out

that can be compiled to run on any platform. As long as new platforms are
developed, more requests for precompiled close source applications will
surface, and you will again be sending this SPAM email to a bunch of

people

that don't program their own joysticks.

Again, you are mixing philosophical interests that I am unwilling to
take part in. Sorry. I do understand the need for a free, open OS as
well as I understand the need to cure cancer, feed Asia, save the
endangered insect of the month, and fight global warming. I will
support all those causes in the little ways that I can. But I will not
argue about them. Nor is this the place for it.

Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 11:08:19 -0600
From: "James Hawkins" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Wine] One application that I would like to see work.
To: "Dotan Cohen" <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Message-ID:
<[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

On Feb 8, 2008 10:09 AM, Dotan Cohen <[email protected]> wrote:

On 08/02/2008, A. Tres Finocchiaro <[email protected]>

wrote:

Opera only works for certain platforms and closed source, so its

inherently

a disease to the idea behind Linux.

I will not get into a religious debate with you. As an end user, I use
the products that fit my workflow, regardless of philosophy. And I pay
what they cost. I use Linux because it is a tool that does what I need
better than the alternatives. I use Opera because it is a tool that
does what i need better than the alternatives. Actually, I'm using
Firefox at the moment because with certain extensions, it fits my work
better than Opera.

In some cases, its worth paying for pre-compiled versions of

proprietary

software for linux. IBM does this for x86 for their lotus notes
application, and also for their iSeries Client access.

Agreed.

I'm not saying I don't support the idea, but that

company's site looks like

they're relatively small. To ask a community to bombard them

with emails is

rude and selfish.

I understand the point, based on the size of the company. However, I
think that we should start telling these companies that we need Linux
solutions, instead of crying that they ignore us. Of course they
ignore Linux users. _We_ need to contact _them_.

Photoshop is on a different scale, it is a standard, and part of

today's

every-day vocabulary. Using photoshop as an example of an

application that

you "don't use", but "still request linux support

for" is a weak argument.

I find the Gimp find for the little work that I do. However, I am
aware that people exist who were raised on Photoshop and need that
tool. I'm even enough of a jerk to help them by contacting Adobe and
backing them up. And you know what? I've already resolved myself to
trying Photoshop again (last used version 5.5) when it's available on
Linux. I'll buy the software if I see that it is an improvement over
Gimp.

There is certainly a contradiction between "runs on Linux"

and "closed

source" Linux and the Open Unixes are the only widespread PC

operating

systems to change Kernels on a monthly basis, and they're the

only thing out

that can be compiled to run on any platform. As long as new

platforms are

developed, more requests for precompiled close source applications

will

surface, and you will again be sending this SPAM email to a bunch of

people

that don't program their own joysticks.

Again, you are mixing philosophical interests that I am unwilling to
take part in. Sorry. I do understand the need for a free, open OS as
well as I understand the need to cure cancer, feed Asia, save the
endangered insect of the month, and fight global warming. I will
support all those causes in the little ways that I can. But I will not
argue about them. Nor is this the place for it.

Please take this argument OFF LIST. It's off-topic and no one else
cares to hear it.

--
James Hawkins



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[FatButtLarry]

On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 8:58 PM, hocuspocus*yahoo <hocus101us*yahoo> wrote:

what the hell are you talking about?

This conversation was ended over 6 months ago. Since the sender's
address <hocuspocus*yahoo> differs from the alias <hocus101us*yahoo>
and the response has no content, I assume its safe to ignore.

-Tres