It seems the game auto-installs xlive when you install it.
I tried copying the folder of Fallout 3 to a fresh wine installation, and it asked for xlive
Big test coming up: fallout 3
You don't install xlive , fallout 3 installer does but you figured that out already.sjbayer3 wrote:fyi I never installed any xlive
You are not being asked in the windows world you are forced to do so ^^
I installed a XP partition just for Fallout 3 , if you accidently hit "Home-key"
during game it pauses and a big Windows-commercial-Xlive login screen or something comes up ,
thats how much game studios are under the hood of M$ just as little information ...
And don't forget to support native linux game companies like id software
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Well, as it stands right now, we can keep trying, but I am beginning to get a sinking feeling that as many have suggested, it's going to require a Wine patch.
So, as opposed to waiting, since I myself don't know code. I'm now in the process of fixing that. I've just begun reading and learning about C++. It's going to take a while before I'm anywhere near the ability to contribute to Wine, but I figure the sooner I get started, buckle down, and do it, the sooner Fallout 3 (and other games) will come home to the Penguins.
So, as opposed to waiting, since I myself don't know code. I'm now in the process of fixing that. I've just begun reading and learning about C++. It's going to take a while before I'm anywhere near the ability to contribute to Wine, but I figure the sooner I get started, buckle down, and do it, the sooner Fallout 3 (and other games) will come home to the Penguins.
-Right now 1.1.6, but tried lot of em and its all the same.dayosh wrote:Well, let's (the three of us) try to align our settings and such, so that at least we're all working on the same page, as it were. Now, dyzmani9 & keisangi:
-What version of Wine are you running?
-What sorts of things (mainly wine tricks applications) do you have installed?
- Do you have the directx9 libraries cataloged in your winecfg?
Any of these answers, and any others you can think of that might be relevant, might help all of us to establish a "starting point" that we can further build upon.
-Havent installed any additional applications
-No i dont have anything catalogued
Gotta install XP again (just for gaming), dual boot and get rid of my headache. I just dont see any other option. Dont get me wrong, I would love to get rid of that wincrap once for all and never install it again but what i see Linux aint for gaming. And probably will never be, theres gonna always be new problems, I wish I am wrong though....
ehem .. now this hurts ! linux *IS* for gamingdyzmani9 wrote: Linux aint for gaming. And probably will never be, theres gonna always be new problems, I wish I am wrong though....
Games developed FOR linux are at least as powerful as their competition :
See etqw :
http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/etqw/
or americas army native linux client:
http://americasarmy.filefront.com/file/ ... 6#Download
Your statement is simply wrong because you are running a *native* windows game on a completely different operating system and you now blame the second operating system for failing to be windows , pretty funny =)
This would be like starting the X server on Windows and blaming Windows that it can't run the linux X server ...
You as a customer should blame Bethesda for *NOT* developing a linux client and only them no one else , as soon as it will pay off for those companies to develop for linux too they will do it.
In the meantime it's either wine with thousands of running apps or dual boot for apps that are still at "garbage" state.
*lol everytime i write there is a falllout 3 commercial in our tv , hehe*
Well, I guess youre right about this 'native' stuff, but it wont pay off for them to make games for linux as soon as I would like to...I just checked out wikipedia's 'Games for linux' section, most of them are old games, and half of the ports made by fans...tuxfusion wrote:ehem .. now this hurts ! linux *IS* for gamingdyzmani9 wrote: Linux aint for gaming. And probably will never be, theres gonna always be new problems, I wish I am wrong though....
Games developed FOR linux are at least as powerful as their competition :
See etqw :
http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/etqw/
or americas army native linux client:
http://americasarmy.filefront.com/file/ ... 6#Download
Your statement is simply wrong because you are running a *native* windows game on a completely different operating system and you now blame the second operating system for failing to be windows , pretty funny =)
This would be like starting the X server on Windows and blaming Windows that it can't run the linux X server ...
You as a customer should blame Bethesda for *NOT* developing a linux client and only them no one else , as soon as it will pay off for those companies to develop for linux too they will do it.
In the meantime it's either wine with thousands of running apps or dual boot for apps that are still at "garbage" state.
*lol everytime i write there is a falllout 3 commercial in our tv , hehe*
You can always install Windows XP on a virtual machine. VMware Workstation supports DirectX 9.dyzmani9 wrote:Gotta install XP again (just for gaming), dual boot and get rid of my headache. I just dont see any other option. Dont get me wrong, I would love to get rid of that wincrap once for all and never install it again but what i see Linux aint for gaming. And probably will never be, theres gonna always be new problems, I wish I am wrong though....
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James McKenzie
Big test coming up: fallout 3
Fazer wrote:
good feature is that you can save the image somewhere and use it for a
quick restore, if you get that feature.
James McKenzie
You still need a licensed copy of WindowsXP to run with VMWare. Onedyzmani9 wrote:
You can always install Windows XP on a virtual machine. VMware Workstation supports DirectX 9.Gotta install XP again (just for gaming), dual boot and get rid of my headache. I just dont see any other option. Dont get me wrong, I would love to get rid of that wincrap once for all and never install it again but what i see Linux aint for gaming. And probably will never be, theres gonna always be new problems, I wish I am wrong though....
good feature is that you can save the image somewhere and use it for a
quick restore, if you get that feature.
James McKenzie
But what i read, games dont work too good on vmwared windows. What i understand is it rather emulates a graphic card than uses your own, poor performance, no shaders (so bye bye F3)etc etc. Good for everything but gaming.Fazer wrote:You can always install Windows XP on a virtual machine. VMware Workstation supports DirectX 9.dyzmani9 wrote:Gotta install XP again (just for gaming), dual boot and get rid of my headache. I just dont see any other option. Dont get me wrong, I would love to get rid of that wincrap once for all and never install it again but what i see Linux aint for gaming. And probably will never be, theres gonna always be new problems, I wish I am wrong though....
It is true. The Virtual boxes can emulate a mean Windows OS. The unfortunate truth, as dyzmani just said, is that they are not yet able to also properly recognize video cards, so gaming on a VM box basically becomes moot (fun word, "moot").
I hear tell from a close friend of mine however (who knows a bit more about news and code than I do), that it is a possibility that we will see an update for VMware in the future which will be able to properly recognize video cards. Unfortunately, no one knows how far of a wait in the future that is (could be next month, could be in 10 years).
Many are certainly welcome to disagree with me on this point, but my personal feelings are that the time has come (and the need has arisen) for more and more linux users to try and become involved in the contribution process. Whether this means learning how to program (via online tutorials or classes), testing software and constantly searching for /reporting bugs, and the like.
There is a saying: "Good things come to those who wait." In this particular scenario, however, I'm not sure that waiting is particularly the best avenue to follow. To better understand what I'm talking about, take a look at the "Wine To-Do Lists" that are posted on the main page. While there have been many accomplishments, there is still much to be done. The current team of Wine developers (bless them for all their hard, selfless work) are all freely devoting what little free time they have available to fix bugs, make new additions, and generally make Wine run more smoothly.
There are currently two problems with this, as I see it:
1. They must "figure out" how to make programs run with Windows programs. They are not simply copying and pasting code from native Windows programs. Everything they build is from scratch, so it is probably safe to assume there is quite a bit of "educated guess work" involved, and many times it is "hit or miss."
2. While I am unsure of exactly how many people comprise the Wine development team, I'm sure that regardless of the number, it could always use more talented individuals looking to contribute. These folks are donating their precious free time, as I've said, and considering there might be little free time to spare (due to work, social life, etc.), they are undertaking a project of truly massive proportions. More people breaks the work load up into smaller, more-manageable chunks.
I'm currently attempting to learn basic C++. I have a long way to go, but if it means that I can help not only these developers, but also give back to the Linux community (which has been very kind to me, in the form of other users taking the time to answer my many questions and help me with various problems), it will be most certainly worth the time spent. To end with another saying, "None of us is stronger than all of us."
::Addendum:: Sorry for the novel, lol. Just my $5.
I hear tell from a close friend of mine however (who knows a bit more about news and code than I do), that it is a possibility that we will see an update for VMware in the future which will be able to properly recognize video cards. Unfortunately, no one knows how far of a wait in the future that is (could be next month, could be in 10 years).
Many are certainly welcome to disagree with me on this point, but my personal feelings are that the time has come (and the need has arisen) for more and more linux users to try and become involved in the contribution process. Whether this means learning how to program (via online tutorials or classes), testing software and constantly searching for /reporting bugs, and the like.
There is a saying: "Good things come to those who wait." In this particular scenario, however, I'm not sure that waiting is particularly the best avenue to follow. To better understand what I'm talking about, take a look at the "Wine To-Do Lists" that are posted on the main page. While there have been many accomplishments, there is still much to be done. The current team of Wine developers (bless them for all their hard, selfless work) are all freely devoting what little free time they have available to fix bugs, make new additions, and generally make Wine run more smoothly.
There are currently two problems with this, as I see it:
1. They must "figure out" how to make programs run with Windows programs. They are not simply copying and pasting code from native Windows programs. Everything they build is from scratch, so it is probably safe to assume there is quite a bit of "educated guess work" involved, and many times it is "hit or miss."
2. While I am unsure of exactly how many people comprise the Wine development team, I'm sure that regardless of the number, it could always use more talented individuals looking to contribute. These folks are donating their precious free time, as I've said, and considering there might be little free time to spare (due to work, social life, etc.), they are undertaking a project of truly massive proportions. More people breaks the work load up into smaller, more-manageable chunks.
I'm currently attempting to learn basic C++. I have a long way to go, but if it means that I can help not only these developers, but also give back to the Linux community (which has been very kind to me, in the form of other users taking the time to answer my many questions and help me with various problems), it will be most certainly worth the time spent. To end with another saying, "None of us is stronger than all of us."
::Addendum:: Sorry for the novel, lol. Just my $5.
Hey,Fazer wrote:You can always install Windows XP on a virtual machine. VMware Workstation supports DirectX 9.dyzmani9 wrote:Gotta install XP again (just for gaming), dual boot and get rid of my headache. I just dont see any other option. Dont get me wrong, I would love to get rid of that wincrap once for all and never install it again but what i see Linux aint for gaming. And probably will never be, theres gonna always be new problems, I wish I am wrong though....
a long time ago i tryed the old vmware and everything was really slow, so if you say the new vmware workstation has dx9 support, are games playable that way or not ? i mean basicly its not great if you only got like 5 or 10 fps for example or something like that ...
greetings
I know little about its performance in 3D games, I've only read about that feature.T1663R wrote:a long time ago i tryed the old vmware and everything was really slow, so if you say the new vmware workstation has dx9 support, are games playable that way or not ? i mean basicly its not great if you only got like 5 or 10 fps for example or something like that ...
It's useless and will be for the next years since no big company is putting money into it. Except vmware fusion for the mac that has some support.I know little about its performance in 3D games, I've only read about that feature.
Everything else is pure software rendering !
News here:
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15839
see the newest appdb entry for an fix and how to at least run and not crash FO3
http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.p ... &iId=14322
I added some screenshots they have to be approved as always ....
For those who can't wait to see :
http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?imag ... ot1hz9.jpg
http://img394.imageshack.us/my.php?imag ... ot4ov6.jpg
I ran F03 with this fix in ultra settings poor framerate and no faces =)
I've already finished the main story line natively so i was just testing this and it works.
nJoy
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dAnIK SeNT
Big test coming up: fallout 3
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 18:15:38 tuxfusion wrote:
but in a couple of DirectX games that I've ran in Windows XP + VMware
Workstation 6.5, performance was quite acceptable (about twice as slow as
native, though).
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Best regards,
Sentiabov Danila aka dAnIK SeNT
[email protected]
Are you really sure that it's so useless? I didn't test it very thoroughly,It's useless and will be for the next years since no big company is puttingI know little about its performance in 3D games, I've only read about
that feature.
money into it. Except vmware fusion for the mac that has some support.
Everything else is pure software rendering !
but in a couple of DirectX games that I've ran in Windows XP + VMware
Workstation 6.5, performance was quite acceptable (about twice as slow as
native, though).
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Best regards,
Sentiabov Danila aka dAnIK SeNT
[email protected]
