Hey everyone!
I'm running Ubuntu 8.04 w/ ALSA and the Ubuntu-packaged ATI Catalyst driver for my ATI X1700.
My problem is that I'll be playing CounterStrike or Half-Life or BrainBread for maybe 2 minutes if I'm lucky, and then suddenly my computer locks up. I get to hear the same 1-second slice of in-game sound over and over again and the screen stays frozen. In CS:CZ, it seems that sometimes the game will lock up my computer as soon as I finish joining a server, or a few seconds afterward.
Another fun thing to note - if I happen to be watching a video while playing the game and the game doesn't have control of my mouse - when my computer locks up, I can still move my mouse cursor around and hear the video, but the screen is still frozen (except for mouse cursor) and I get to hear that slice of in-game sound repeated over and over.
When it's locked up, Ctrl+Alt+Bksp does not work, and the only way to escape the situation is a hard shutdown by holding the power button down.
One more thing, with CS:CZ, I usually get to play for a couple minutes on my own server, whereas I might get one or two seconds on an internet server before my computer locks up.
Steam games crash during gameplay
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Arthur Squassabia
Steam games crash during gameplay
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 7:24 PM, kynan <[email protected]> wrote:
the "F" keys you can try to log-in on a different session and try to kill
the process instead of hard booting. I think you'll have to set your
computer to boot in run level 3 to do this though. I'm not so sure how to
do this in ubuntu
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I'm not so sure how to fix the freezing but if you hit Ctrl + Alt + one ofHey everyone!
I'm running Ubuntu 8.04 w/ ALSA and the Ubuntu-packaged ATI Catalyst driver
for my ATI X1700.
My problem is that I'll be playing CounterStrike or Half-Life or BrainBread
for maybe 2 minutes if I'm lucky, and then suddenly my computer locks up. I
get to hear the same 1-second slice of in-game sound over and over again and
the screen stays frozen. In CS:CZ, it seems that sometimes the game will
lock up my computer as soon as I finish joining a server, or a few seconds
afterward.
Another fun thing to note - if I happen to be watching a video while
playing the game and the game doesn't have control of my mouse - when my
computer locks up, I can still move my mouse cursor around and hear the
video, but the screen is still frozen (except for mouse cursor) and I get to
hear that slice of in-game sound repeated over and over.
When it's locked up, Ctrl+Alt+Bksp does not work, and the only way to
escape the situation is a hard shutdown by holding the power button down.
One more thing, with CS:CZ, I usually get to play for a couple minutes on
my own server, whereas I might get one or two seconds on an internet server
before my computer locks up.
the "F" keys you can try to log-in on a different session and try to kill
the process instead of hard booting. I think you'll have to set your
computer to boot in run level 3 to do this though. I'm not so sure how to
do this in ubuntu
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kynan - I have *exactly* the same problem! (I haven't played a video at the same time as the game, but otherwise I'm in the same boat as you!)
Have you had any luck in finding a solution? I'm stumped! I'm running on a T43 ThinkPad, ATI graphics too...
Please let me know if you find any possible solutions or if you need any more info about my system to help find out whats causing both of us to be affected. I'll keep searching and post again if I come across anything useful. My guess is a gfx crad issue - I've read a few times before that ATI cards aren't supported as well as nVidias...
But then again - weird thing - I can play single-player HL, Opposing Force and Blue Shift as long as I want and there's no crash... the problem's only with multiplayer games....
Cheers,
Andy
Have you had any luck in finding a solution? I'm stumped! I'm running on a T43 ThinkPad, ATI graphics too...
Please let me know if you find any possible solutions or if you need any more info about my system to help find out whats causing both of us to be affected. I'll keep searching and post again if I come across anything useful. My guess is a gfx crad issue - I've read a few times before that ATI cards aren't supported as well as nVidias...
But then again - weird thing - I can play single-player HL, Opposing Force and Blue Shift as long as I want and there's no crash... the problem's only with multiplayer games....
Cheers,
Andy
Hi.
Hi, if you are still having trouble, you could try to post the output of a console run over here.
I'm thinking, does this thing _only_ happen in steam games?
Also, have you disabled steam-community-in-game, it crashes most machines.
Do you have any kind of non-steam game you could test just to check if it is due to Steam?
Waiting answers,
jorl17
Hi, if you are still having trouble, you could try to post the output of a console run over here.
I'm thinking, does this thing _only_ happen in steam games?
Also, have you disabled steam-community-in-game, it crashes most machines.
Do you have any kind of non-steam game you could test just to check if it is due to Steam?
Waiting answers,
jorl17
Ok.
I didn't mean that you could get the output after a crash. I meant that you could see the overall output of your aplication.
So, before someone comes and asks how:
first, change your directory to the one where your app is (steam is)
if you installed it in the Program Files dir it is probably in ~/.wine/drive_c/Program\ Files/Steam (or something similar)
after that, just run the application with wine:
Do this in a terminal and then you can either point us to a full-output page online or give us the output that comes right before the crash.
BTW: Are you also trying to use any hacks? If you are, disable them as they _most_likely_ will never work.
I didn't mean that you could get the output after a crash. I meant that you could see the overall output of your aplication.
So, before someone comes and asks how:
first, change your directory to the one where your app is (steam is)
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cd <path_to_steam>after that, just run the application with wine:
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wine ./steam.exeBTW: Are you also trying to use any hacks? If you are, disable them as they _most_likely_ will never work.
Did you tried all workarounds listed in HOWTOs for Steam and CS:S & other steam games? There are several known issues (other then ati driver problems).da3andrew wrote:kynan - I have *exactly* the same problem! (I haven't played a video at the same time as the game, but otherwise I'm in the same boat as you!)
lol No hacks. Just plain ol' vanilla CS:CZ.
Well, when the crash happens, the computer goes unresponsive. But I can try to get you the output. If I'm really quick, I guess I may be able to do it.
I tried out UrbanTerror under Wine. It functions perfectly.
*EDIT*
Yes, I have tried all the workarounds listed on the AppDB entries for Steam and related games.
Well, when the crash happens, the computer goes unresponsive. But I can try to get you the output. If I'm really quick, I guess I may be able to do it.
I tried out UrbanTerror under Wine. It functions perfectly.
*EDIT*
Yes, I have tried all the workarounds listed on the AppDB entries for Steam and related games.
If you can't be *quick* try to redirect the output to a logfile
I think (and correct me if wrong) that can be done as the following:
that way all output will go into steamlogfile.txt
good luck,
Jorl17
I think (and correct me if wrong) that can be done as the following:
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wine ./steam.exe > steamlogfile.txtgood luck,
Jorl17
My last post got deleted. It had my terminal output pasted into it. Did an admin delete it? If so, did all you guys who wanted it get it?
https://sites.google.com/site/kynanrile ... -steam-log
I hope that link works.
https://sites.google.com/site/kynanrile ... -steam-log
I hope that link works.
Like I said it's useless. Steam intercepts any errors, and when it crashes, you see crash of the crash analysis - totally irrelevant.kynan wrote:My last post got deleted. It had my terminal output pasted into it. Did an admin delete it? If so, did all you guys who wanted it get it?
https://sites.google.com/site/kynanrile ... -steam-log
I hope that link works.
Did you try setting win version for your game to win98?
I tried windows 98. It seemed like it lasted a tad longer maybe. But it still crashed =P. This is weird. Back in December I think, WINE functioned perfectly with CS:CZ. Made-for-Linux 3D games like Tux Racer and UrbanTerror were unplayable (graphics-wise). This was with Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon.
It was actually like this in April 2007 when I was running Ubuntu Feisty on this computer with the ATI fglrx driver. I could play CS using WINE but 3D in Linux games was unusable. That is to say that 3D models could be displayed, but with broken textures, lighting, etc and game menus were unreadable. All text showed up as some sort of pixelated Klingon.
Anyways, back to December: Then I stopped using the Ubuntu-packaged ATI driver and switched to the latest Catalyst driver directly from ATI and upgraded to the next version of WINE -- at the same time. I don't know which upgrade caused the change. I could now play OpenArena and UrbanTerror and such but Steam in WINE began giving me this crashing problem. I don't think it's a graphics driver issue because single-player works just great.
I think it's a wine issue. BUT - I tried changing my wine version (back when I was still running Gutsy) to 0.9.47 (the oldest .deb available for Gutsy on winehq.org) and this failed to fix the problem.
Basically, All I can say is that it doesn't make sense.
It was actually like this in April 2007 when I was running Ubuntu Feisty on this computer with the ATI fglrx driver. I could play CS using WINE but 3D in Linux games was unusable. That is to say that 3D models could be displayed, but with broken textures, lighting, etc and game menus were unreadable. All text showed up as some sort of pixelated Klingon.
Anyways, back to December: Then I stopped using the Ubuntu-packaged ATI driver and switched to the latest Catalyst driver directly from ATI and upgraded to the next version of WINE -- at the same time. I don't know which upgrade caused the change. I could now play OpenArena and UrbanTerror and such but Steam in WINE began giving me this crashing problem. I don't think it's a graphics driver issue because single-player works just great.
I think it's a wine issue. BUT - I tried changing my wine version (back when I was still running Gutsy) to 0.9.47 (the oldest .deb available for Gutsy on winehq.org) and this failed to fix the problem.
Basically, All I can say is that it doesn't make sense.
I'd say that's really odd.
I'm using shipped NVIDIA drivers on my main-pc with wine and both CS, CS:S, even Age of empires and all of that work (with some tewaking ofc).
On my other PC (my server) I've got the shipped ATI drivers and have most of the same things working (and in that pc with an even lower degree of tweakage)...
Did you try my tip on sending output to a logfile? Or did you check steam logs? (I'm loosing ideas here).
Oh, and do the crashes _only_ happen when networking? (e.g. playing in an online server?)
hm...One last shot could maybe be (and this is a pathetic idea) to let wine work on its own. Do you have the option in winecfg of letting the Window Manager decorate and control the windows? If you do, try disabling it.
Could it be related to sound? bah I don't know...
I'm using shipped NVIDIA drivers on my main-pc with wine and both CS, CS:S, even Age of empires and all of that work (with some tewaking ofc).
On my other PC (my server) I've got the shipped ATI drivers and have most of the same things working (and in that pc with an even lower degree of tweakage)...
Did you try my tip on sending output to a logfile? Or did you check steam logs? (I'm loosing ideas here).
Oh, and do the crashes _only_ happen when networking? (e.g. playing in an online server?)
hm...One last shot could maybe be (and this is a pathetic idea) to let wine work on its own. Do you have the option in winecfg of letting the Window Manager decorate and control the windows? If you do, try disabling it.
Could it be related to sound? bah I don't know...
I tried switching to low-quality sound a couple times. No improvement. I also tried OSS, Esound, etc. And the crashes happen no matter what the window decoration stuff is. Generally, I run it in a virtual desktop, but I've tried all the different settings in 'Graphics.' And the problems seem to be generally in online play. But running my own server will eventually crash too.
hm...could it possibly be a problem while networking?
I remember back a month or two ago I had a problem in CS:S as the messages overflowed and I end up with a crash (according to CS:S console)...
you said that:
Oh well, I don't know...maybe you could try to test a clean wine install and test it again? even, maybe build your source out of git? (Once it helped me...)
I remember back a month or two ago I had a problem in CS:S as the messages overflowed and I end up with a crash (according to CS:S console)...
you said that:
Now that twists my head. Do you mean a listen-server or a server hosted in your LAN?One more thing, with CS:CZ, I usually get to play for a couple minutes on my own server, whereas I might get one or two seconds on an internet server before my computer locks up.
Oh well, I don't know...maybe you could try to test a clean wine install and test it again? even, maybe build your source out of git? (Once it helped me...)
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Marc
Steam games crash during gameplay
En/na kynan ha escrit:
while music from other programs continue working ok, but no mouse and no
keyboard, so any Ctrl-Alt-XX keystroke does nothing). My game can only
be played online.
I asked before in the list and I was told it was an ATI-related problem.
Somebody asked you to test with other games, so I thought that maybe you
were interested in giving it a try, specially because it is free to
download, register and play:
Tales of Pirates (http://top.igg.com/).
I found another walkaround to kill the game other than hard reset: login
with a remote terminal ( ssh ) and kill the process, maybe you could try
if it works for you, obviously you will have to set up the ssh server,
which should not be very difficult. I can help you off-list if you are
interested in trying.
I have the exact same behaviour with another game ( X-session lock-upI tried switching to low-quality sound a couple times. No improvement. I also tried OSS, Esound, etc. And the crashes happen no matter what the window decoration stuff is. Generally, I run it in a virtual desktop, but I've tried all the different settings in 'Graphics.' And the problems seem to be generally in online play. But running my own server will eventually crash too.
while music from other programs continue working ok, but no mouse and no
keyboard, so any Ctrl-Alt-XX keystroke does nothing). My game can only
be played online.
I asked before in the list and I was told it was an ATI-related problem.
Somebody asked you to test with other games, so I thought that maybe you
were interested in giving it a try, specially because it is free to
download, register and play:
Tales of Pirates (http://top.igg.com/).
I found another walkaround to kill the game other than hard reset: login
with a remote terminal ( ssh ) and kill the process, maybe you could try
if it works for you, obviously you will have to set up the ssh server,
which should not be very difficult. I can help you off-list if you are
interested in trying.
Re: Steam games crash during gameplay
I am really starting to think that ATI may have something to do with this, still soyunds wierd.Marc wrote:En/na kynan ha escrit:I have the exact same behaviour with another game ( X-session lock-upI tried switching to low-quality sound a couple times. No improvement. I also tried OSS, Esound, etc. And the crashes happen no matter what the window decoration stuff is. Generally, I run it in a virtual desktop, but I've tried all the different settings in 'Graphics.' And the problems seem to be generally in online play. But running my own server will eventually crash too.
while music from other programs continue working ok, but no mouse and no
keyboard, so any Ctrl-Alt-XX keystroke does nothing). My game can only
be played online.
I asked before in the list and I was told it was an ATI-related problem.
Somebody asked you to test with other games, so I thought that maybe you
were interested in giving it a try, specially because it is free to
download, register and play:
Tales of Pirates (http://top.igg.com/).
I found another walkaround to kill the game other than hard reset: login
with a remote terminal ( ssh ) and kill the process, maybe you could try
if it works for you, obviously you will have to set up the ssh server,
which should not be very difficult. I can help you off-list if you are
interested in trying.
Have you tried rolling back to your previous gfx drivers? Also, maybe you could go into CS.CZ settings and mess with drivers (choose 'Software'). Gfx will be ugly, but will allow you to test it.
Also try to run game in windowed-mode, that should help you with the problem of the mouse (I guess)
SSH is a good idea though, just type sshd in console, then type whatever they tell you to apt-get and it should be pronto, I myself ssh most of the time.
Do you have any DLL Overrides?
good idea to delete every single video driver you have on the system and install new ones, just incase they are corrupted, this program does both uninstall then reinstall over the top of the latest drivers.
while i could delete drivers and install drivers myself i found this program could find "all" the ones i could not see. and thus got my gfx card running like a champ a lot quicker than i could.
http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
while i could delete drivers and install drivers myself i found this program could find "all" the ones i could not see. and thus got my gfx card running like a champ a lot quicker than i could.
http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
I've done a bit more testing (well, playing games ;) and have found that this problem does *not* occur when using software rendering. kynan - wanna give this a try and see if yous remains stable too?
But to confirm my original post, this problem also only occurs in multiplayer games - I've played hours of single-player with D3D rendering.
I'm not 100% sure what gfx drivers i'm using - i remember when i first installed it took a few attempts before i got 3d acceleration enabled. what's the best way to find out for sure?
Cheers,
Andy
But to confirm my original post, this problem also only occurs in multiplayer games - I've played hours of single-player with D3D rendering.
I'm not 100% sure what gfx drivers i'm using - i remember when i first installed it took a few attempts before i got 3d acceleration enabled. what's the best way to find out for sure?
Cheers,
Andy
if its been a while then probably a good idea to reinstall drivers imo, but im a nub when it comes to linux.
i just know everytime i get gfx problems in windows i reinstall drivers and that usually fixes the problem everytime.
so it can't do any harm if u at least try ^click the link above and download ENVY or
open up synaptic package manager and scroll down to "others" ENVY is there too. Envy fixes both nvidia and/or ati drivers.
seems strange that it only happens in multiplayer, mind you, i bought hellgate london when it came out, and tried to run it on a 3 year old computer. that REALLY didn't like it, i got 2-5fps, but then once i played in single player mode i got 30 fps,a dn it was completely playable, mind you that was on lowest gfx settings.. when i bitched and complained at the hellgate team they simply turned around and told me that it was my computer, not their multiplayer settings.
Eg. hellgate runs fine... but only JUST... once i add the dimension of network play its simply too hard for my system to handle. this prob has nothing to do with your computer and doesn't help... but it's just an example, and may, may not be a factor.
P.S. never buy hellgate london, its just a complete rippoff of guildwars with a few diablo2 factors thrown in, but a extremely bad version of it.(min sys req: 3ghz cpu, 3gb ram, nvidia 8800gtx)
Not to mention the HGL community is retarded, if you try to say anything about how the game could be improved they call you every swear word under the sun and tell u to GTFO!@~~!....
you usually know when you win an argument when you competitor tells you to GTFO~!~!!@!@!
rofl
i just know everytime i get gfx problems in windows i reinstall drivers and that usually fixes the problem everytime.
so it can't do any harm if u at least try ^click the link above and download ENVY or
open up synaptic package manager and scroll down to "others" ENVY is there too. Envy fixes both nvidia and/or ati drivers.
seems strange that it only happens in multiplayer, mind you, i bought hellgate london when it came out, and tried to run it on a 3 year old computer. that REALLY didn't like it, i got 2-5fps, but then once i played in single player mode i got 30 fps,a dn it was completely playable, mind you that was on lowest gfx settings.. when i bitched and complained at the hellgate team they simply turned around and told me that it was my computer, not their multiplayer settings.
Eg. hellgate runs fine... but only JUST... once i add the dimension of network play its simply too hard for my system to handle. this prob has nothing to do with your computer and doesn't help... but it's just an example, and may, may not be a factor.
P.S. never buy hellgate london, its just a complete rippoff of guildwars with a few diablo2 factors thrown in, but a extremely bad version of it.(min sys req: 3ghz cpu, 3gb ram, nvidia 8800gtx)
Not to mention the HGL community is retarded, if you try to say anything about how the game could be improved they call you every swear word under the sun and tell u to GTFO!@~~!....
you usually know when you win an argument when you competitor tells you to GTFO~!~!!@!@!
rofl
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I have a similar problem, but this is with XP. I installed Opposing Force onto Steam and its been running perfectly, but then at one stage on... load of4a3? it instantly quits out of the game, weird thing is, only when i reach a certain height in the room (as your suppose to use the barnacle to grab onto something to get to the vent half way up the wall so you can get to the next load), otherwise i can move all around it.
Reinstalled off CD, redownloaded off steam, have tried EVERYTHING i can think of and yet it continues to be a pain in the ass, HL1 and the "Platinum Pack" seem to work off steam but the resolution settings don't suit my screen so i don't use it, this is really weird, i'm thinking probably a corrupted file or incomplete install, but then why does it come up with 100% - Ready in steam and not need an update?
There seems to be a duplicate set of files for it too, one for not on steam and one set for. Although i think some files are running off each other now because of my stupidity and deleting some to see if it'd help.
Any tips are greatly appreciated - i'll keep workin on it anyway
Reinstalled off CD, redownloaded off steam, have tried EVERYTHING i can think of and yet it continues to be a pain in the ass, HL1 and the "Platinum Pack" seem to work off steam but the resolution settings don't suit my screen so i don't use it, this is really weird, i'm thinking probably a corrupted file or incomplete install, but then why does it come up with 100% - Ready in steam and not need an update?
There seems to be a duplicate set of files for it too, one for not on steam and one set for. Although i think some files are running off each other now because of my stupidity and deleting some to see if it'd help.
Any tips are greatly appreciated - i'll keep workin on it anyway
