[1.2]StarCraft 2 - Very Slow On Good Computer?

JeZ-l-Lee · Post by **JeZ-l-Lee** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 5:25 pm

[1.2]StarCraft 2 - Very Slow On Good Computer?

Hi,

Using Wine 1.2 Final on Ubuntu 10.04 32bit.
When running game "StarCraft 2", the game is very slow?

My specs are as follows:
O.S.: Ubuntu 10.04 32bit
CPU: Intel Core2Quad 2.4GHz 4 core CPU
RAM: 4GB DDR2
Graphics Card: nVidia GeForce 8400GS
(nVidia 195.36.24 graphic driver)
Sound Card: Creative Sound Blaster Audigy SE

Any ideas?
Thanks

Jesse

MacNean Tyrrell · Post by **MacNean Tyrrell** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:58 pm

On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Jesse Palser <[email protected]> wrote:

[1.2]StarCraft 2 - Very Slow On Good Computer?

Hi,

Using Wine 1.2 Final on Ubuntu 10.04 32bit.
When running game "StarCraft 2", the game is very slow?

It's not native to linux? Turn everything to low?

My specs are as follows:
O.S.: Ubuntu 10.04 32bit
CPU: Intel Core2Quad 2.4GHz 4 core CPU
RAM: 4GB DDR2
Graphics Card: nVidia GeForce 8400GS
(nVidia 195.36.24 graphic driver)
Sound Card: Creative Sound Blaster Audigy SE

Any ideas?
Thanks

Jesse

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doh123 · Post by **doh123** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:59 pm

JeZ-l-Lee wrote:[1.2]StarCraft 2 - Very Slow On Good Computer?

Hi,

Using Wine 1.2 Final on Ubuntu 10.04 32bit.
When running game "StarCraft 2", the game is very slow?

My specs are as follows:
O.S.: Ubuntu 10.04 32bit
CPU: Intel Core2Quad 2.4GHz 4 core CPU
RAM: 4GB DDR2
Graphics Card: nVidia GeForce 8400GS
(nVidia 195.36.24 graphic driver)
Sound Card: Creative Sound Blaster Audigy SE

Any ideas?
Thanks

Jesse

where's the good computer? I wouldn't expect much out of a 8400GS and a game as new as Star Craft 2

eps · Post by **eps** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:32 pm

On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Jesse Palser <[email protected]> wrote:

[1.2]StarCraft 2 - Very Slow On Good Computer?

Using Wine 1.2 Final on Ubuntu 10.04 32bit.
When running game "StarCraft 2", the game is very slow?

My specs are as follows:
O.S.: Ubuntu 10.04 32bit
CPU: Intel Core2Quad 2.4GHz 4 core CPU
RAM: 4GB DDR2
Graphics Card: nVidia GeForce 8400GS
(nVidia 195.36.24 graphic driver)
Sound Card: Creative Sound Blaster Audigy SE

Any ideas?

I have the dual core version of your computer with an 8600gt instead
and on mixed low-medium settings I get a very playable 18-40fps. Not
bad for a cheap two-three year old graphics card. Might be better on
Windows but the bottleneck is the graphics card as I notice SC2
doesn't tax my cpu or the ram.

I would like to play on the better graphics so I'm looking at getting
the modern day equivalent of the 8600 and I'd say that'd be your best
option too.

Time marches on and our good computers become old computers.

JeZ-l-Lee · Post by **JeZ-l-Lee** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 4:44 am

On 07/28/2010 08:59 PM, doh123 wrote:

JeZ-l-Lee wrote:
[1.2]StarCraft 2 - Very Slow On Good Computer?

Hi,

Using Wine 1.2 Final on Ubuntu 10.04 32bit.
When running game "StarCraft 2", the game is very slow?

My specs are as follows:
O.S.: Ubuntu 10.04 32bit
CPU: Intel Core2Quad 2.4GHz 4 core CPU
RAM: 4GB DDR2
Graphics Card: nVidia GeForce 8400GS
(nVidia 195.36.24 graphic driver)
Sound Card: Creative Sound Blaster Audigy SE

Any ideas?
Thanks

Jesse
where's the good computer? I wouldn't expect much out of a 8400GS and a game as new as Star Craft 2

Hi,

Don't be so quick to blame my computer.
F.E.A.R. 2 runs 60 FPS in a 1024x768 window with settings on medium.
I expect the same with StarCraft 2.

JeZ+Lee

doh123 · Post by **doh123** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:20 am

JeZ-l-Lee wrote:On 07/28/2010 08:59 PM, doh123 wrote:
JeZ-l-Lee wrote:
[1.2]StarCraft 2 - Very Slow On Good Computer?

Hi,

Using Wine 1.2 Final on Ubuntu 10.04 32bit.
When running game "StarCraft 2", the game is very slow?

My specs are as follows:
O.S.: Ubuntu 10.04 32bit
CPU: Intel Core2Quad 2.4GHz 4 core CPU
RAM: 4GB DDR2
Graphics Card: nVidia GeForce 8400GS
(nVidia 195.36.24 graphic driver)
Sound Card: Creative Sound Blaster Audigy SE

Any ideas?
Thanks

Jesse
where's the good computer? I wouldn't expect much out of a 8400GS and a game as new as Star Craft 2
Hi,

Don't be so quick to blame my computer.
F.E.A.R. 2 runs 60 FPS in a 1024x768 window with settings on medium.
I expect the same with StarCraft 2.

JeZ+Lee

run it at the lowest rez possible with all low settings then.

the bare min nvidia card they list for running in Windows is a 6600GT. a 8400GS actually benchmarks slower than one of those, which means you really are at, or not quite at minimum system requirements... its going to be slightly slower with Wine anyways...

tparker · Post by **tparker** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:33 am

On Wednesday 28 July 2010 8:59:00 pm doh123 wrote:

where's the good computer? I wouldn't expect much out of a 8400GS and a
game as new as Star Craft 2

beta played fine with my 6150SE (even though that is below the recommended) so
it may be a driver or settings issue, but probably not a card issue unless
that one in specific has some problems.

Ranguvar · Post by **Ranguvar** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:54 pm

Only ways to know for sure are by trying with Windows on the same PC, or by getting someone with a similar setup to do that.

Gert van den Berg · Post by **Gert van den Berg** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:57 pm

Don't be so quick to blame my computer.
F.E.A.R. 2 runs 60 FPS in a 1024x768 window with settings on medium.
I expect the same with StarCraft 2.

You PC doesn't meet the recommended requirements... (Which is ussualy
what is needed to play at medium graphics on Windows) Wine will slow
down Direct3D graphics as well...

http://us.blizzard.com/support/article. ... oryId=3617

Gert

damentz · Post by **damentz** » Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:45 pm

128 MB PCIe NVIDIA® GeForce® 6600 GT or ATI Radeon® 9800 PRO video card or better

His PC _does_ meet the recommended requirements.

Starcraft 2 runs painfully slow compared to Windows. For instance, I have a nVidia Geforce 330M with 512mb of video ram. My friend comes in with his old 8600M GT with 256mb of video ram and plays on Ultra settings with a silky smooth 60fps.

I can't even manage medium. If you google online, my card is supposed to be 2-3x faster than his.

And just for some specs: Linux 2.6.35-rc6 + current wine git.

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System:    Host damentz64 Kernel 2.6.35-rc6.dmz.1-liquorix-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit) Distro Debian GNU/Linux squeeze/sid
CPU:       Dual core Intel Core i5 M 520 (HT) cache 3072 KB flags (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx) clocked at 1199.00 MHz                                                                                                      
Graphics:  Card nVidia GT216 [GeForce GT 330M] X.Org 1.7.7 Res: [email protected]                                       
           GLX Renderer GeForce GT 330M/PCI/SSE2 GLX Version 3.3.0 NVIDIA 256.44                                      
Network:   Card-1 Marvell 88E8057 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver sky2                                       
           Card-2 Atheros AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) driver ath_pci                                
Disks:     HDD Total Size: 750.2GB (58.0% used) 1: WDC_WD7500BPVT                                                     
Info:      Processes 200 Uptime 19:43 Memory 1472.4/3884.7MB Client Shell inxi 1.4.10

I would say that my laptop should meet some maximum requirements list. But the real problem here is that we're seeing the game run at about 1/6th to 1/8th of the speed of running natively on windows (600 to 800% slower). Even counter strike source manages only running about 10-20% slower...

Gert van den Berg · Post by **Gert van den Berg** » Sun Aug 01, 2010 1:49 am

On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 01:45, damentz <[email protected]> wrote:

128 MB PCIe NVIDIAÂ® GeForceÂ® 6600 GT or ATI RadeonÂ® 9800 PRO video card or better
His PC _does_ meet the recommended requirements.

No it dosn't. That is the minimum requirements which ussually allow
you to run it at aboiut 15 fps on lowest detail...
* NVIDIAÂ® GeForceÂ® 8600M GT or ATI RadeonÂ® X1600 or better
is the recommended requirements

(But I haven't played much games under Wine recently...)

Code:
System: Â Â Host damentz64 Kernel 2.6.35-rc6.dmz.1-liquorix-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit) Distro Debian GNU/Linux squeeze/sid
CPU: Â Â Â Dual core Intel Core i5 M 520 (HT) cache 3072 KB flags (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx) clocked at 1199.00 MHz
Graphics: Â Card nVidia GT216 [GeForce GT 330M] X.Org 1.7.7 Res: [email protected]
Â Â Â Â Â GLX Renderer GeForce GT 330M/PCI/SSE2 GLX Version 3.3.0 NVIDIA 256.44
Network: Â Card-1 Marvell 88E8057 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver sky2
Â Â Â Â Â Card-2 Atheros AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) driver ath_pci
Disks: Â Â HDD Total Size: 750.2GB (58.0% used) 1: WDC_WD7500BPVT
Info: Â Â Â Processes 200 Uptime 19:43 Memory 1472.4/3884.7MB Client Shell inxi 1.4.10

What difference does the nVidia driver versions make? (Seems like most
cards support the 256.* drivers)

Doen't the game have an OpenGL mode (many Blizzard game do) that
should run at full speed?

You're sure that the slowdowns aren't something obvious like a lack of
32-bit OpenGL / too many debug messages? (Posting logs to pastebin if
its long or here overwise might help...)

The resolution ussually have a huge impact on performance...

It should be interesting to see a comparison of StartCraft 2 on the
SAME PC between Windows XP, 32-bit Windows Vista/7, 64-bit Vista/7 and
32-bit Linux (64-bit Linux should work as well, but setting it up with
the right libraries is harder)

Gert

Thunderbird · Post by **Thunderbird** » Sun Aug 01, 2010 12:11 pm

On Nvidia make sure you set 'UseGLSL' to disabled (see wiki.winehq.org/UsefulRegistryKeys) it should provide a huge boost (I remember 30% or so in the demo). Disabling this option won't impact image quality because on Nvidia hardware we support shader model 3.0 with and without GLSL (without GLSL it uses nvidia specific opengl extensions).

Thunderbird · Post by **Thunderbird** » Sun Aug 01, 2010 12:15 pm

Before I cause issues: the use of 'UseGLSL=disabled' on Nvidia is basically a workaround. (it won't help ATI and other drivers) Once the cause of the lower performance in GLSL mode is found, GLSL performance should also improve, so in the long run you won't need this option. If someone updates appdb, add such a remark and don't just say 'set UseGLSL=disabled on Nvidia'.

eps · Post by **eps** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 3:57 am

On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 3:11 AM, Thunderbird <[email protected]> wrote:

On Nvidia make sure you set 'UseGLSL' to disabled (see wiki.winehq.org/UsefulRegistryKeys) it should provide a huge boost (I remember 30% or so in the demo). Disabling this option won't impact image quality because on Nvidia hardware we support shader model 3.0 with and without GLSL (without GLSL it uses nvidia specific opengl extensions).

This worked really well for me thanks! From 18fps minimum to 38fps minimum.

torturedutopian · Post by **torturedutopian** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 5:32 pm

Hmm, strange, it makes absolutely no difference here. (Nvidia 9800 green edition + core2duo 8400@ 3Ghz, wine 1.2 and Crossover 9.1).

MacNean Tyrrell · Post by **MacNean Tyrrell** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 6:42 pm

On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 6:32 PM, torturedutopian
<[email protected]>wrote:

Hmm, strange, it makes absolutely no difference here. (Nvidia 9800 green
edition + core2duo 8400@ 3Ghz, wine 1.2 and Crossover 9.1).

Mine too no difference, nvidia 260m GTx, 256 drivers.

--
Sincerely,

MacNean C. Tyrrell
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doh123 · Post by **doh123** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:23 pm

torturedutopian wrote:Hmm, strange, it makes absolutely no difference here. (Nvidia 9800 green edition + core2duo 8400@ 3Ghz, wine 1.2 and Crossover 9.1).

While Crossover 9.1 is based off Wine 1.2, it is far from being stock Wine 1.2... Theres no guarantee things that work with Wine in a certain way will work the same way with Crossover.

torturedutopian · Post by **torturedutopian** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:33 pm

doh123 : sure, but I installed the game under both of them and made the test with both of them, and it made no difference in both case

JeZ-l-Lee · Post by **JeZ-l-Lee** » Tue Aug 03, 2010 1:33 pm

On 08/01/2010 01:15 PM, Thunderbird wrote:

Before I cause issues: the use of 'UseGLSL=disabled' on Nvidia is basically a workaround. (it won't help ATI and other drivers) Once the cause of the lower performance in GLSL mode is found, GLSL performance should also improve, so in the long run you won't need this option. If someone updates appdb, add such a remark and don't just say 'set UseGLSL=disabled on Nvidia'.

Hi,

I tried that with no notice of speed improvement.
On the lowest graphic settings in the game, I was getting < 30FPS.

I'll be upgrading my video card
from a GeForce 8400 to a GeForce GT 240 tomorrow.
Problem solved!

Thanks...

Jesse

stoabrogga · Post by **stoabrogga** » Tue Aug 03, 2010 3:49 pm

The 'UseGLSL=disabled' option did not improve the performance on my side. I have the following system:

i7 930 @ 2,8GHz
GeForce 9800 GT
Ubuntu 10.04 64bit
Wine 1.2

Strange thing is, it doesn't matter which graphic settings to use, I get always about 15 fps during missions.

James McKenzie · Post by **James McKenzie** » Wed Aug 04, 2010 11:42 am

stoabrogga wrote:

The 'UseGLSL=disabled' option did not improve the performance on my side. I have the following system:

i7 930 @ 2,8GHz
GeForce 9800 GT

nVidia driver version?

Ubuntu 10.04 64bit
Wine 1.2

Strange thing is, it doesn't matter which graphic settings to use, I get always about 15 fps during missions.

I don't personally own a computer with an nVidia card in it, but results
have been chaotic with the different nVidia driver versions and
different settings. You might want to try a different driver version
and see if you can get the FPS of your game up to 30 or so.

James McKenzie

torturedutopian · Post by **torturedutopian** » Wed Aug 04, 2010 12:12 pm

Does anyone with the 256.44 drivers experience any speed improvement when the GLSL trick mentioned above ?

I don't (256.44, GF 9800 GE, core2duo @3Ghz), but downgrading to figure out if it's related to the driver version seems a bit complicated

With my setup I generally get 15-20 FPS ingame. (1920*1080, medium settings + high shaders + ultra textures)

JeZ-l-Lee · Post by **JeZ-l-Lee** » Wed Aug 04, 2010 4:51 pm

On 08/03/2010 02:33 PM, Jesse Palser wrote:

On 08/01/2010 01:15 PM, Thunderbird wrote:
Before I cause issues: the use of 'UseGLSL=disabled' on Nvidia is
basically a workaround. (it won't help ATI and other drivers) Once
the cause of the lower performance in GLSL mode is found, GLSL
performance should also improve, so in the long run you won't need
this option. If someone updates appdb, add such a remark and don't
just say 'set UseGLSL=disabled on Nvidia'.

Hi,

I tried that with no notice of speed improvement.
On the lowest graphic settings in the game, I was getting < 30FPS.

I'll be upgrading my video card
from a GeForce 8400 to a GeForce GT 240 tomorrow.
Problem solved!

Thanks...

Jesse

Hi,

Installed my new fanless nVidia GeForce GT 240 1GB today.
I can run StarCraft 2 in Wine 1.2
in a 1024x768 window on "Ultra" settings!!!

Thanks!

Jesse

stoabrogga · Post by **stoabrogga** » Thu Aug 05, 2010 4:00 pm

James McKenzie wrote:stoabrogga wrote:
The 'UseGLSL=disabled' option did not improve the performance on my side. I have the following system:

i7 930 @ 2,8GHz
GeForce 9800 GT

nVidia driver version?
Ubuntu 10.04 64bit
Wine 1.2

Strange thing is, it doesn't matter which graphic settings to use, I get always about 15 fps during missions.

I don't personally own a computer with an nVidia card in it, but results
have been chaotic with the different nVidia driver versions and
different settings. You might want to try a different driver version
and see if you can get the FPS of your game up to 30 or so.

James McKenzie

I tested with nVidia drivers 195.36 and 256.44, made no difference. The average CPU usage during missions is at 20%, so I think Blizzard has to improve their engine. My system specs are above the recommended pc specs, so it should be possible to get acceptable fps, even if using Wine. There are also some other users complaining about low fps:

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/248426539
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/166496813

Perhaps I should simply wait for the next patch(es)...

Ema · Post by **Ema** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 4:30 am

Hi,

even for me it's a bit of a shame...

Got a 470 GTX, Phenom II X4 BE, 8 gigs of ram...
My fear is that something related to sound (pulseaudio?) as well...
Basically in Ultra mode I have to set shaders to low, then I have like 30,40+ FPS. Just setting the shaders to medium decreased it of about 15 FPS...
Btw I play in full HD as screen size.

Given the videocard, that's a bit sad...

Anyway, if anyone else with nVidia card is able to play full HD ultra mode, please post the config and wine settings...

Cheers,