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austin987 · Post by **austin987** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 7:20 pm

Editing is disabled for posts because the forum is tied to the mailing list ([email protected]).

Edited posts weren't sent to the list, which caused confusion.

tinku99 · Post by **tinku99** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:46 pm

One unfortunate side affect is you also cannot edit the title.
For example, I wanted to mark a question i posted, as solved...
> Edited posts weren't sent to the list, which caused confusion.
maybe there can be a warning added to the editing page, that says edits will not propogate to the mailing list...

what is the real advantage of a mailing list over phpbb anyways?
I can't figure out a good system for reading mailing lists...
gnus crashes emacs frequently trying to download many headers...
alpine is slow and also crashes my system (maybe i should try it on windows)...
what do you use for readings the wine mailing list?
Is there a news reader application that lets you do full text search on mailing lists?

also, hyperlinks do not stand out in my posts... (are not underlined)... can this be changed?
Thanks.
new to wine.

Martin Gregorie · Post by **Martin Gregorie** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:00 pm

On Thu, 2009-09-03 at 17:46 -0500, tinku99 wrote:

what do you use for readings the wine mailing list?

Evolution. It 'just works'.

Martin

Gert van den Berg · Post by **Gert van den Berg** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:32 pm

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 00:46, tinku99<[email protected]> wrote:

what do you use for readings the wine mailing list?
Is there a news reader application that lets you do full text search on mailing lists?

Gmail....

John Drescher · Post by **John Drescher** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:46 pm

what is the real advantage of a mailing list over phpbb anyways?

The advantage over a forum is that I have 20 or so mailing list
subscriptions. If these were all forums I would not participate in
many of them.

what do you use for readings the wine mailing list?
Is there a news reader application that lets you do full text search on mailing lists?
Gmail....

That is what I use. And with the 7.X GB of storage I have almost every
non spam email from all of the 20 or so mailing lists I have signed up
for that have been sent in the last few years.

John

tparker · Post by **tparker** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 10:36 am

On 09/04/2009 12:45 AM, John Drescher wrote:

what is the real advantage of a mailing list over phpbb anyways?
The advantage over a forum is that I have 20 or so mailing list
subscriptions. If these were all forums I would not participate in
many of them.

This is true for me as well. I would never take the time to load up and
log into all the different forums, let alone the amount of time lost to
forum navigation once you are there.

smallfish · Post by **smallfish** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 1:57 am

agree to john that I have a lot mail list from the froun, that may wast a lot of time to read it.

tinku99 · Post by **tinku99** » Sat Jan 02, 2010 12:28 pm

tparker wrote:On 09/04/2009 12:45 AM, John Drescher wrote:
what is the real advantage of a mailing list over phpbb anyways?
The advantage over a forum is that I have 20 or so mailing list
subscriptions. If these were all forums I would not participate in
many of them.
This is true for me as well. I would never take the time to load up and
log into all the different forums, let alone the amount of time lost to
forum navigation once you are there.

With google alerts, you don't have to go to the forum to browse, and your mailbox doesn't get as cluttered up if you are interested in a high volume mailing list. The problem with mailing lists is that gmane and nabble are too slow, and there are only so many mailing lists you can subscribe to without overflooding your mailbox.

Paul Menzel · Post by **Paul Menzel** » Sat Jan 02, 2010 12:45 pm

Am Samstag, den 02.01.2010, 11:28 -0600 schrieb tinku99:

tparker wrote:
On 09/04/2009 12:45 AM, John Drescher wrote:
The advantage over a forum is that I have 20 or so mailing list
subscriptions. If these were all forums I would not participate in
many of them.
This is true for me as well.

For me too.

I would never take the time to load up and
log into all the different forums, let alone the amount of time lost to
forum navigation once you are there.
With google alerts, you don't have to go to the forum to browse, and
your mailbox doesn't get as cluttered up if you are interested in a
high volume mailing list.

Just let your mail program sort the messages for you into folders or use
a different method as for example Sup [1] does.

Also having users comply to standards, threading works and you have an
uncluttered mailbox, when all threads are minimized.

Unfortunately threading does not seem to be working with the list-forum
converter used by Wine.

The problem with mailing lists is that gmane and nabble are too slow,

What does that have to do with it?

and there are only so many mailing lists you can subscribe to without
overflooding your mailbox.

See above.

And additionally. if cited correctly you save a lot of time by just
reading the last message and get the full context.

[1] http://sup.rubyforge.org/
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leagris · Post by **leagris** » Tue May 11, 2010 10:19 am

Hello,

Why not use an NNTP (news protocol) for forum back-end instead of a mailing list? This way, any news client can organize archive, browse the forum. Outlook Express, Thunderbird, Evolution all these support news protocol.

Another minor change I'd like to see is a new CSS for .code with overflow auto and maximum height so as long streams of pasted code will not stretch the forum so badly.

David Gerard · Post by **David Gerard** » Tue May 11, 2010 10:30 am

On 11 May 2010 16:19, leagris <[email protected]> wrote:

Why not use an NNTP (news protocol) for forum back-end instead of a mailing list? This way, any news client can organize archive, browse the forum. Outlook Express, Thunderbird, Evolution all these support news protocol.

The mailing list certainly used to have a two-way gateway to a
newsgroup. Is that still in place? Does it feed the forum posts
through (and back)?

- d.

Martin Gregorie · Post by **Martin Gregorie** » Tue May 11, 2010 10:44 am

On Tue, 2010-05-11 at 10:19 -0500, leagris wrote:

Why not use an NNTP (news protocol) for forum back-end instead of a
mailing list? This way, any news client can organize archive, browse
the forum. Outlook Express, Thunderbird, Evolution all these support
news protocol.

Probably because USENET is open to all manner of spam and trolls that we
can do without. A vast amount of that comes care of Google Groups.
Lastly, may I remind you that USENET has no anti-spam tools apart from a
killfile facility, which not all newsreaders provide.

As it is, we get spam we could do without, often via the forums. In
consequence my copy of SA has a fairly impressive set of custom rules
that I've developed specially to deep-six spam arriving via the Wine
mailing list.

Martin

leagris · Post by **leagris** » Tue May 11, 2010 12:15 pm

Sorry to repeat known facts but, NNTP ≠ usenet.
What I am asking for is not winehq feeding a usenet newsgroup with Network News Transport Protocol. I just gives a clue as only providing an NNTP able server like one man can access the forum with a generic newsgroup reader in connecting to news://[email protected]:119/wine-users
This method is very much more suitable than a mailing list (IMHO).

Gert van den Berg · Post by **Gert van den Berg** » Wed May 12, 2010 11:10 pm

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 19:15, leagris <[email protected]> wrote:

Sorry to repeat known facts but, NNTP ` usenet.
What I am asking for is not winehq feeding a usenet newsgroup with Network News Transport Protocol. I just gives a clue as only providing an NNTP able server like one man can access the forum with a generic newsgroup reader in connecting to news://[email protected]:119/wine-users
This method is very much more suitable than a mailing list (IMHO).

And then I need to install a newsreader.... (Or handle crappy Google
groups emails...) I also won't be able to reply from my gmail / access
it from behind a proxy...

Gert

vitamin · Post by **vitamin** » Sat May 15, 2010 12:33 pm

leagris wrote:Sorry to repeat known facts but, NNTP ≠ usenet.

NNTP is officially dead. Most ISPs do not support it. It's been invented before WWW and should rest in piece now.

leagris · Post by **leagris** » Sat May 15, 2010 1:58 pm

vitamin wrote: NNTP is officially dead. Most ISPs do not support it. It's been invented before WWW and should rest in piece now.

Please, obviously the above presumptions clumsily sow your opposition to the idea of being able to participate to this forum via a proven and standard protocol that is NNTP. Other than that, the ignorant argumentation is irrelevant.
As for ISP supported protocols, namely it is IP and everything using IP. If your ISP put some restrictions on what protocols you are allowed to use over IP, you should find a non-restricting non-protocol-censoring one.

vitamin · Post by **vitamin** » Sat May 15, 2010 2:39 pm

leagris wrote:Please, obviously the above presumptions clumsily sow your opposition to the idea of being able to participate to this forum via a proven and standard protocol that is NNTP.

Obviously you already do participate in it. NNTP can not support all features of the forum. Besides you can read this forum via NNTP from google servers already. Or you can't configure your client to do that?

This conversation is over and has nothing to do with the sticky. All irrelevant posts will be removed.

vitamin · Post by **vitamin** » Sat May 15, 2010 2:41 pm

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