Please be patient and read this...
Can AJ please change the license of the wine-launcher (like mono does)?
You can still keep the libraries under LGPL.
Please note proprietary is not bad and no oss w/o proprietary...
You can make WINE a standard of binaries because of competition of Linux/BSD/Solaris binaries.
It would be good for OS developers if you Change the license of the WINE launcher.
Trans-gaming (and others) will not change libs anymore, just adapting the launcher according to our needs.
Please don't think proprietary is bad...
If Apache and BSD have thought that proprietary is bad, You could not have seen Mac...
Please note that Linux and BSD have developed as a clone of MS Windows and UNIX.
Please allow proprietary. Please note you are not one of the Stall-man's guys.
Can you (AJ) dual-license it under BSD and LGPL?
Please note I am not trolling.
Wine license
Please change the license of WINE launcher
Please dual-license the wine launcher under BSD/LGPL like mono does?
You can still keep libs under LGPL because developers can rewrite libs using WINE launcher if they want to.
Please note proprietary is not bad and the main contributor, Code Weavers, is a type of proprietary organization.
You can still keep libs under LGPL because developers can rewrite libs using WINE launcher if they want to.
Please note proprietary is not bad and the main contributor, Code Weavers, is a type of proprietary organization.
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I think that this is a little bit complicated because wine has many owners due to its GPL nature.
Every contribution that people do, should be in the benefit of everyone.
However, I suggest you, if you want to do something proprietary with wine, to rewrite the piece of code that you want in the BSD style license.
You can use wine's ideas to guide your coding.
Every contribution that people do, should be in the benefit of everyone.
However, I suggest you, if you want to do something proprietary with wine, to rewrite the piece of code that you want in the BSD style license.
You can use wine's ideas to guide your coding.
Re: Wine license
You've been already told why Wine is LGPL now.
Topic closed.
Topic closed.
Rishi don't use mono as an example. They have not suffered what wine has.
Wine has been forked and people using there forks to play unfair in the market.
Leasons have been learnt here.
Trans-gaming already did modify the launcher to hack software so it worked ahead of wine and not released back what they did when Wine was MIT license. Sorry not going to be allowed happen again.
There is no reason why the loader could not be written into a library infact there is a outstanding project that we need coders todo exactly that. A wine plugin interface. http://wiki.winehq.org/WinePluginApi
We have no issue with proprietary. LGPL was chosen so Proprietary could use wine. Just wine has to be used as libraries and any source alteration has to be given back.
All projects closed or open using Wine should have to complete fairly with each other. At no point should any source from wine be able to be used to give any of them advantage over the other. Then let the best win.
By the way Mono is systematically doing away with all LGPL and GPL code they contain. They have not learnt there lessons yet.
Wine has been forked and people using there forks to play unfair in the market.
Leasons have been learnt here.
Trans-gaming already did modify the launcher to hack software so it worked ahead of wine and not released back what they did when Wine was MIT license. Sorry not going to be allowed happen again.
There is no reason why the loader could not be written into a library infact there is a outstanding project that we need coders todo exactly that. A wine plugin interface. http://wiki.winehq.org/WinePluginApi
We have no issue with proprietary. LGPL was chosen so Proprietary could use wine. Just wine has to be used as libraries and any source alteration has to be given back.
All projects closed or open using Wine should have to complete fairly with each other. At no point should any source from wine be able to be used to give any of them advantage over the other. Then let the best win.
By the way Mono is systematically doing away with all LGPL and GPL code they contain. They have not learnt there lessons yet.
Misunderstanding
Please understand that i am only talking about the launcher only. I think transgaming did not affect that much. You can still keep libraries under lgpl, so that transgaming can not steal libraries. I will try my best to get a promise or something from transgaming, or try to change their minds. There are tricks on lgpl.
Mit
Even the transgaming hack the launcher, they get not much of benefits. The difference will be the wine is free and transgaming is for fee. Strong communities did not fear the ibm or apple, instead they helped them. Wine is a strong community, with many users from many oses. Even he you make the launcher under mit license, no one can break you. On one can break wine he it is entirely bsd-ish, but i am asking only to change license of the launcher, not libraries.
just give it a rest.
its better as it is and doesn't need to be changed. If you don't like it, too bad... start your own project and make your own code doing the same thing and run it how you want.
Companies can already use this just fine... just like Codeweavers does. its LGPL, not GPL... if your wanting to make modifications, and not give back any code, well then too bad, thats just you being greedy. If you cannot figure out how to use the code correctly without breaking LGPL and its not greed on your part, then you maybe need to get someone that knows what they are doing.
its better as it is and doesn't need to be changed. If you don't like it, too bad... start your own project and make your own code doing the same thing and run it how you want.
Companies can already use this just fine... just like Codeweavers does. its LGPL, not GPL... if your wanting to make modifications, and not give back any code, well then too bad, thats just you being greedy. If you cannot figure out how to use the code correctly without breaking LGPL and its not greed on your part, then you maybe need to get someone that knows what they are doing.
Rishi please learn you history before you type again.
Transgaming altering the launcher had them loading 200 more games than wine could. Just from that alteration. Some of the most popular games of the time. Yes the library alterations Transgaming did was a problem but still the loader alone did major damage to the profitablity of Codeweavers.
Major competition disadvantage.
Please try not to forget we have direct commercial arm support. Any harm to Codeweavers is direct harm to the jobs of key personal behind Wine that wine cannot afford to lose.
Transgaming actions caused major disruptions to wine operations.
Yes if Codeweavers could not see how they could compete at the time they were going to pull the pin on wine completely and move into other development areas with income.
This web site you are talking on is provided by Codeweavers free of charge to wine. All storage requirements of source code is also provided free of charge by codeweavers. Coders to work on wine complex bugs that are above a volunteers to fix Codeweavers to provide full time developers to deal with. Even releasing the fixs first in wine not there own product. Project lead AJ is paid full time by Codeweavers to take care of Wine.
All this go by by so you can have a loader coded in MIT/BSD license. Sorry I think not. Because that is exactly what you are talking about risking.
The deal has been done from the time of the transgaming disaster. As LGPL we have codeweavers support. Without it codeweavers would have pulled there support back then. As what you are proposing codeweavers would have to reconsider if they keep on supporting wine.
We are not talking small amount of funding you are messing with. We are talking messing with the requirements of the most major commercial backer of wine.
You want to do a change like this Rishi you better be able to find the funding to cover the possible outcome of codeweavers pulling out of wine.
Before codeweavers wine was lucky to have a release 1 a year. After them we have goto to 2 weekly release cycle. We are talking major high price in development speed as well if we lose them.
Besides Transgaming are being forced by the LGPL to release more and more of there code base to keep up with wine. So we are winning. If they are forced to release there loader as well then we are on a level playing field again. And would be a fair price to pay thinking Transgaming has had to be forced to provide support to wine by license.
Yes we here have lived threw the damage using BSD and MIT license can do our major backers income. To back open source they must make some profit from it.
Wine is not as Strong of a Community as you think Rishi. We are dependent on a supply of key resources without them we are in trouble.
Anyone who thinks open source runs by Strong Community alone is a idiot. Major open source projects has someone somewhere making profit from using it and feeding money back in.
Basically answer were will the money to run wine operations come from if you do your alterations.
Transgaming altering the launcher had them loading 200 more games than wine could. Just from that alteration. Some of the most popular games of the time. Yes the library alterations Transgaming did was a problem but still the loader alone did major damage to the profitablity of Codeweavers.
Major competition disadvantage.
Please try not to forget we have direct commercial arm support. Any harm to Codeweavers is direct harm to the jobs of key personal behind Wine that wine cannot afford to lose.
Transgaming actions caused major disruptions to wine operations.
Yes if Codeweavers could not see how they could compete at the time they were going to pull the pin on wine completely and move into other development areas with income.
This web site you are talking on is provided by Codeweavers free of charge to wine. All storage requirements of source code is also provided free of charge by codeweavers. Coders to work on wine complex bugs that are above a volunteers to fix Codeweavers to provide full time developers to deal with. Even releasing the fixs first in wine not there own product. Project lead AJ is paid full time by Codeweavers to take care of Wine.
All this go by by so you can have a loader coded in MIT/BSD license. Sorry I think not. Because that is exactly what you are talking about risking.
The deal has been done from the time of the transgaming disaster. As LGPL we have codeweavers support. Without it codeweavers would have pulled there support back then. As what you are proposing codeweavers would have to reconsider if they keep on supporting wine.
We are not talking small amount of funding you are messing with. We are talking messing with the requirements of the most major commercial backer of wine.
You want to do a change like this Rishi you better be able to find the funding to cover the possible outcome of codeweavers pulling out of wine.
Before codeweavers wine was lucky to have a release 1 a year. After them we have goto to 2 weekly release cycle. We are talking major high price in development speed as well if we lose them.
Besides Transgaming are being forced by the LGPL to release more and more of there code base to keep up with wine. So we are winning. If they are forced to release there loader as well then we are on a level playing field again. And would be a fair price to pay thinking Transgaming has had to be forced to provide support to wine by license.
Yes we here have lived threw the damage using BSD and MIT license can do our major backers income. To back open source they must make some profit from it.
Wine is not as Strong of a Community as you think Rishi. We are dependent on a supply of key resources without them we are in trouble.
Anyone who thinks open source runs by Strong Community alone is a idiot. Major open source projects has someone somewhere making profit from using it and feeding money back in.
Basically answer were will the money to run wine operations come from if you do your alterations.
Also the change will not be simple todo.
Reason wine developers do not do copyright assignment. So everyone who has done a change to the loader would have to be contacted 1 by 1 and asked if the license can be changed. If they say no there code removed and replaced.
Sorry you better be making a really good case with really good figures with 100 percent good outcome for wine to be worth the effort.
Reason wine developers do not do copyright assignment. So everyone who has done a change to the loader would have to be contacted 1 by 1 and asked if the license can be changed. If they say no there code removed and replaced.
Sorry you better be making a really good case with really good figures with 100 percent good outcome for wine to be worth the effort.
Please don't hate proprietary...
Trans-gaming can't do that much with only the loader.
Loader is not enough for them.
Money is a gift to proprietary to make sure they are not wasting time by coding in voided world...
I ask you to keep your precious libraries under LG-PL.
Trans-gaming can't do anything, because side of WINE community is strong.
Do you want to keep it stall-man-compatible? That is a selfish, stupid guy, unlike BSD community.
LG-PL V2+ is worser than writing your own copyrights to the GNU.
Stall-man brainwashed you, and that is the reason not to use Linux.
Although I like MySQL and Linux, I don't use them, Then I found BSD and PostgreSQL.
What if trans-gaming take-over wine?
Wine have to die without derivatives because of LG-PL, when Microsoft DIE.
If wine is permissive and after the official demise of WINE, new Platforms will rise (like X11, BSD, Apache, etc...).
Everyone know that Microsoft is a loyal, and a honest company, but charging for their efforts, and the Dev team is well-paid.
Apple took BSD kernel, but BSD did not consider it a harm to them, but the Apple's implementation of BSD kernel made the BSD famous...
Apache:
I think it is the strongest community next to BSD.
They Did not get jealous over the IBM, the helped them...
Alternative approach:
What if apache is made LG-PL after the incident?
No takeovers by IBM... Then they need to die...
Even trans-gaming seems like good if you see from inside: they are charging us for their difficulties... and their works... What if no profit? IT industry will die...
OSS is meant to be adaptable; not to be selfish...
Trans-gaming IS like MS, they are charging for their difficulties...
It is not a lesson, it is from mind, I thought Novell is selfish, then I realized They are good...
What if the BSD is selfish? BSD is the origin of software technology...
What if X is CDDL/EPL/MPL?
It seems like Trans-gaming is fighting with Code Weavers, not with us.
Trans-gaming neither destroy community nor weaken it -- they just derived from it.
This is not a 'Business' trick of code Weavers, Right?
Trans-gaming did not seem to affect WINE that much, you are fearing unnecessarily.
I heard name of Trans-gaming, after I heard the name of WINE.
So, they did not popularized wine...
If you think taking source is stealing, the Stall-man and the worst communities, MySQL, ID(Quake, Doom, etc...), GNU are also stealing...
Please don't fear about derivatives...
Please don't be as selfish as stall-man.
Trans-gaming is not ?s?m? bin?aden
Please remember that I am talking about Launcher, not the precious libraries...
Even if trans-gaming take over WINE launcher, People will always prefer WINE, because it is free.
Stop your egos, think from your heart, you will realize.
(Don't fear them, they are not cyberdemons or Doc.Oct, they are only human and they aren't going to destroy the world)
Replacing LG-PL code with BSD licensed code (like BSD kernel) is possible, and
Please take contributions from now on, under MIT license so that wine will be completely MIT after 90 years (copyright of WINE LG-PL code will expire).
Trans-gaming can't do that much with only the loader.
Loader is not enough for them.
Money is a gift to proprietary to make sure they are not wasting time by coding in voided world...
I ask you to keep your precious libraries under LG-PL.
Trans-gaming can't do anything, because side of WINE community is strong.
If you want contributions back, Why do you keep it GPL compatible? GPL is LGPL incompatible.2. Conveying Modified Versions.
If you modify a copy of the Library, and, in your modifications, a facility refers to a function or data to be supplied by an Application that uses the facility (other than as an argument passed when the facility is invoked), then you may convey a copy of the modified version:
a) under this License, provided that you make a good faith effort to ensure that, in the event an Application does not supply the function or data, the facility still operates, and performs whatever part of its purpose remains meaningful, or
b) under the GNU GPL, with none of the additional permissions of this License applicable to that copy.
Do you want to keep it stall-man-compatible? That is a selfish, stupid guy, unlike BSD community.
LG-PL V2+ is worser than writing your own copyrights to the GNU.
Stall-man brainwashed you, and that is the reason not to use Linux.
Although I like MySQL and Linux, I don't use them, Then I found BSD and PostgreSQL.
What if trans-gaming take-over wine?
Wine have to die without derivatives because of LG-PL, when Microsoft DIE.
If wine is permissive and after the official demise of WINE, new Platforms will rise (like X11, BSD, Apache, etc...).
Everyone know that Microsoft is a loyal, and a honest company, but charging for their efforts, and the Dev team is well-paid.
Apple took BSD kernel, but BSD did not consider it a harm to them, but the Apple's implementation of BSD kernel made the BSD famous...
Apache:
I think it is the strongest community next to BSD.
They Did not get jealous over the IBM, the helped them...
Alternative approach:
What if apache is made LG-PL after the incident?
No takeovers by IBM... Then they need to die...
Even trans-gaming seems like good if you see from inside: they are charging us for their difficulties... and their works... What if no profit? IT industry will die...
OSS is meant to be adaptable; not to be selfish...
Trans-gaming IS like MS, they are charging for their difficulties...
It is not a lesson, it is from mind, I thought Novell is selfish, then I realized They are good...
What if the BSD is selfish? BSD is the origin of software technology...
What if X is CDDL/EPL/MPL?
It seems like Trans-gaming is fighting with Code Weavers, not with us.
Trans-gaming neither destroy community nor weaken it -- they just derived from it.
This is not a 'Business' trick of code Weavers, Right?
Trans-gaming did not seem to affect WINE that much, you are fearing unnecessarily.
I heard name of Trans-gaming, after I heard the name of WINE.
So, they did not popularized wine...
If you think taking source is stealing, the Stall-man and the worst communities, MySQL, ID(Quake, Doom, etc...), GNU are also stealing...
Please don't fear about derivatives...
Please don't be as selfish as stall-man.
Trans-gaming is not ?s?m? bin?aden
Please remember that I am talking about Launcher, not the precious libraries...
Even if trans-gaming take over WINE launcher, People will always prefer WINE, because it is free.
Stop your egos, think from your heart, you will realize.
(Don't fear them, they are not cyberdemons or Doc.Oct, they are only human and they aren't going to destroy the world)
Replacing LG-PL code with BSD licensed code (like BSD kernel) is possible, and
Please take contributions from now on, under MIT license so that wine will be completely MIT after 90 years (copyright of WINE LG-PL code will expire).
I am not gonna derive anything
I am not gonna derive anything, I am interested in social benefits. There are tricks on LGPL... I have an IDEA! Can I teach It to Trans-gaming, or keep my mouth SHUT?
Cannot do that much with the loader. Really.you know nothing. Yet you say you know tricks to get out of LGPL. Please if you did you would know the following. So we should believe your goal is to directly sabotage wine.
Lets list what they did with the loader. Number alteration of executable on load. So overriding DRM protections. So programs that don't work with wine libs magically work with trans-gaming version. Due to library redirection and overlaying. Also this magic means they have not altered the wine libs but the application has effectively seen an altered version of the library.
Thank you very much now transgaming can use our loader and give none of there alterations back. We lose. If we change the loader we might as well hand over the libraries. Its that simple . Transgaming already knows every trick to get out of LGPL and the loader gives them a instant out. You are asking for everything. You are trying to claim you are not but you don't know what transgaming has already done using just the loader code.
Heck they currently do this with the old copy MIT of the Wine loader they have of course its not 100 percent compatible any more. We are not going to allow others to have a freeride.
X11 is also another bad example. X11 forked off in 50 different directions no one giving back source code everyone making own versions. So leading to over 15 years of no progress and the main line of X11 bit rotting. Only in recent years has there been any forward motion. What if X is CDDL/EPL/MPL most likely would have progress faster. Something that started X11 current day progressing is Linux due to sections of drivers having to be GPL so limitation on secret. Before Linux XFree86 what Xorg forked from was being forked over and over again into closed source versions on BSD and others offering 3d performance and so on that would die off every few years taking all there features with them. Current day Xorg and Xfree86 are a mix of licenses. Including CDDL EPL MPL GPL LGPL and MIT. When they were pure they made no progress due to closed source forking. These days making a closed source fork of Xorg or Xfree86 you could land mine yourself quite badly due to the mix if licenses.
This is even true of the apache environment. Its not pure either any more. Are items like FreeBSD pure BSD answer no kernel these days contains sections of CDDL and some GPL drivers .
Has the BSD gained developers from what Apple. Answer no Apple turned there kernel into a pure fork it does not share drivers back to its parent. Darwin fork of BSD code base has basically been useless to the general open source world.
Wine has derivatives LGPL has not interfered with the process 1 bit. We have more derivatives now than any time in wine complete history.
Sorry Trans-gaming at the heat of the battle released limited version of there product for free. So free does not mean we will win. Note limited it still supported more applications than wine at the time. Our community was almost destroyed. Sorry to say Trans-gaming could do this again.
Even today the same kind of attack could bring us to our kness.
Sorry Wine Lgpl will not expire in 90 years. Each new release is a new 90 year old count. Be aware a 12 year old version of wine is barely buildable on current day compilers. 90 year old code forget trying to build it.
Nothing about the selection of LGPL has anything todo with Stallman.
LGPL was one of the more commonalty used at the time of the license change. Bethankful for merry. At the time a complete list of licenses that forced source code release were made. The new license of wine was choose from the most common in use and the one that gave the most flexibility to commercial usage. Now if you were wanting us to change to another license that forced source code release but was not GPL compadible but would give us some-other advantage it would be worthwhile debating.
Trans-gaming targeted to destroy both wine and codeweavers. In there past battle.
Stop saying we hate proprietary. That is saying we hate codeweavers and www.bordeauxgroup.com for there front ends. We are quite willing it sit on the side lines and watch those two duke it out since wine will remain developing either way.
We simple expect proprietray and open source to play fairly. Many 1000~ of man hours have been spent developing wine. If you use the code its only fair to give back.
Simple fact I was around where transgaming came after wine. Remember at that time codeweavers was not a major supporter of wine.
There are basically no pure MIT license projects left. Pure MIT license projects basically get killed by forks not giving code back. We like to keep wine 1 pure license as well this way meeting license conditions is simple and you cannot screw up.
LOL of apache changed to LGPL most of there major users would not bat a eyelid. Reason most of the major users are on the Linux kernel anyhow so have to obey the rules of GPL for it.
IBM changing from apache harmony to openjdk. Big end business has no major issues with LGPL stuff when they are playing fair. Also apache httpd is not pure apache licence either. It contains some LGPL modules.
You do find projects that are pure LGPL as a single license. Its getting rare and rare to find pure permissive license stuff. So you cannot effective compare how effective BSD, MIT and other permissive liceneses are at getting developers because there are basically no tanted projects to compare against the likes of pure GPL and LGPL projects.
Stallman has nothing todo with wine selection of license and stop insult us over it. That some outside force could control the Wine community is impossible. That some outside force could destroy the wine community is possible. No funds no development death follows. Rudeness is not something we have to tolerate. Yes putting a - in someones name who name does not have a - is rudeness.
And don't troll write LGPL as LG-PL it don't have a -. Only trolls write LGPL that way.
I have written many white papers covering license effect on development speeds. Yes writing a modern day one on BSD MIT and other licenses of there class is almost impossible due to almost no application using them being pure any more. In my eyes you are nothing more than a person pulling up troll arguments who has not done there homework on the advantages of the licenses and there effect on development.
Lets list what they did with the loader. Number alteration of executable on load. So overriding DRM protections. So programs that don't work with wine libs magically work with trans-gaming version. Due to library redirection and overlaying. Also this magic means they have not altered the wine libs but the application has effectively seen an altered version of the library.
Thank you very much now transgaming can use our loader and give none of there alterations back. We lose. If we change the loader we might as well hand over the libraries. Its that simple . Transgaming already knows every trick to get out of LGPL and the loader gives them a instant out. You are asking for everything. You are trying to claim you are not but you don't know what transgaming has already done using just the loader code.
Heck they currently do this with the old copy MIT of the Wine loader they have of course its not 100 percent compatible any more. We are not going to allow others to have a freeride.
X11 is also another bad example. X11 forked off in 50 different directions no one giving back source code everyone making own versions. So leading to over 15 years of no progress and the main line of X11 bit rotting. Only in recent years has there been any forward motion. What if X is CDDL/EPL/MPL most likely would have progress faster. Something that started X11 current day progressing is Linux due to sections of drivers having to be GPL so limitation on secret. Before Linux XFree86 what Xorg forked from was being forked over and over again into closed source versions on BSD and others offering 3d performance and so on that would die off every few years taking all there features with them. Current day Xorg and Xfree86 are a mix of licenses. Including CDDL EPL MPL GPL LGPL and MIT. When they were pure they made no progress due to closed source forking. These days making a closed source fork of Xorg or Xfree86 you could land mine yourself quite badly due to the mix if licenses.
This is even true of the apache environment. Its not pure either any more. Are items like FreeBSD pure BSD answer no kernel these days contains sections of CDDL and some GPL drivers .
Has the BSD gained developers from what Apple. Answer no Apple turned there kernel into a pure fork it does not share drivers back to its parent. Darwin fork of BSD code base has basically been useless to the general open source world.
Wine has derivatives LGPL has not interfered with the process 1 bit. We have more derivatives now than any time in wine complete history.
Sorry Trans-gaming at the heat of the battle released limited version of there product for free. So free does not mean we will win. Note limited it still supported more applications than wine at the time. Our community was almost destroyed. Sorry to say Trans-gaming could do this again.
Even today the same kind of attack could bring us to our kness.
Sorry Wine Lgpl will not expire in 90 years. Each new release is a new 90 year old count. Be aware a 12 year old version of wine is barely buildable on current day compilers. 90 year old code forget trying to build it.
Nothing about the selection of LGPL has anything todo with Stallman.
LGPL was one of the more commonalty used at the time of the license change. Bethankful for merry. At the time a complete list of licenses that forced source code release were made. The new license of wine was choose from the most common in use and the one that gave the most flexibility to commercial usage. Now if you were wanting us to change to another license that forced source code release but was not GPL compadible but would give us some-other advantage it would be worthwhile debating.
Honest how dare you use that word about Microsoft. Wine was one of the projects that proved Microsoft was using secret API's under the table to have advantage over there competition. We know Microsoft are cheats so don't dare call them honest here again. Samba team also does not call Microsoft honest. Thinking Samba is the officially lead of the standard body for the network protocol MS uses that MS altered without permission and kept secret from the standard body forcing the standard body to take Microsoft to court to meet there legal requirements. So honest and playing fair are not Microsoft.Everyone know that Microsoft is a loyal, and a honest company
Trans-gaming targeted to destroy both wine and codeweavers. In there past battle.
Stop saying we hate proprietary. That is saying we hate codeweavers and www.bordeauxgroup.com for there front ends. We are quite willing it sit on the side lines and watch those two duke it out since wine will remain developing either way.
We simple expect proprietray and open source to play fairly. Many 1000~ of man hours have been spent developing wine. If you use the code its only fair to give back.
Simple fact I was around where transgaming came after wine. Remember at that time codeweavers was not a major supporter of wine.
Thank you for stating you hand. Be-aware MIT does not provide patent coverage in any form. You want to change the license back to what it was. Before we got stung baddy by an aggressive company.Replacing LG-PL code with BSD licensed code (like BSD kernel) is possible, and
Please take contributions from now on, under MIT license so that wine will be completely MIT after 90 years (copyright of WINE LG-PL code will expire).
There are basically no pure MIT license projects left. Pure MIT license projects basically get killed by forks not giving code back. We like to keep wine 1 pure license as well this way meeting license conditions is simple and you cannot screw up.
LOL of apache changed to LGPL most of there major users would not bat a eyelid. Reason most of the major users are on the Linux kernel anyhow so have to obey the rules of GPL for it.
IBM changing from apache harmony to openjdk. Big end business has no major issues with LGPL stuff when they are playing fair. Also apache httpd is not pure apache licence either. It contains some LGPL modules.
You do find projects that are pure LGPL as a single license. Its getting rare and rare to find pure permissive license stuff. So you cannot effective compare how effective BSD, MIT and other permissive liceneses are at getting developers because there are basically no tanted projects to compare against the likes of pure GPL and LGPL projects.
Stallman has nothing todo with wine selection of license and stop insult us over it. That some outside force could control the Wine community is impossible. That some outside force could destroy the wine community is possible. No funds no development death follows. Rudeness is not something we have to tolerate. Yes putting a - in someones name who name does not have a - is rudeness.
And don't troll write LGPL as LG-PL it don't have a -. Only trolls write LGPL that way.
I have written many white papers covering license effect on development speeds. Yes writing a modern day one on BSD MIT and other licenses of there class is almost impossible due to almost no application using them being pure any more. In my eyes you are nothing more than a person pulling up troll arguments who has not done there homework on the advantages of the licenses and there effect on development.
