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Post by ruelle »

So..
What we have to do??
I suggest to extend this need to a large number of people and get more visibility for all the Wine project.. (and AutoCAD bugs).. :wink:
Talk about Wine (and AutoCAD support) in our blogs, IT publications, big forums (like ubuntu?)...

Maybe there's someone capable to solve (AutoCAD) bugs..

What do you think? What we have to do?

P.S. what about AutoCAD2008 "platinum" as Wine 1.* feature??

edit:(WINE=>Wine)
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Post by jeffz »

ruelle wrote:So..
What we have to do??
I suggest to extend this need to a large number of people and get more visibility for all the WINE project.. (and AutoCAD bugs).. :wink:
Talk about WINE (and AutoCAD support) in our blogs, IT publications, big forums (like ubuntu?)...

Maybe there's someone capable to solve (AutoCAD) bugs..

What do you think? What we have to do?

P.S. what about AutoCAD2008 "platinum" as WINE 1.* feature??
You could start by writing Wine instead of WINE :)

http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#head-8b4fbbe ... f0e8d25f2e
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AutoCAD 2005 and Wine 1.1.4

Post by Grof »

Hello...

What is the status of AutoCAD 2005 under Wine 1.1.4...

Is it still need applay any patches and recompile Wine, or nothing is need for install, only winetricks??
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Post by ruelle »

Why don't you give it a try..
and let us know in AppDB...
i have 2004 but not 2005...
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Post by Grof »

ruelle wrote:Why don't you give it a try..
and let us know in AppDB...
i have 2004 but not 2005...
I tried. Install procedure finished OK, but I can not start them...
Getting this errors:

Code: Select all

fixme:win:EnumDisplayDevicesW ((null),0,0x32f66c,0x00000000), stub!
fixme:wtsapi:WTSRegisterSessionNotification Stub 0x10030 0x00000000
fixme:dbghelp:dump_system_info fill in CPU vendorID and feature set
Yes, I installed winetricks (dotnet20, msxml3, gdiplus and corefonts)
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Post by ruelle »

sorry Grof I don't know how to help you...
we need the attention of Wine gurus...

P.S.
little step ahead for this bug??
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13801 :?:
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Autocad 2008 and wine

Post by Dotan Cohen »

2008/9/18 ruelle <[email protected]>:
sorry Grof I don't know how to help you...
we need the attention of Wine gurus...
In addition to Wine Gurus, you might want to ask Audodesk to certify
AutoCAD for Wine:
http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/in ... id=1073074

Don't forget to mention that now that there is a 1.0 release of Wine,
they can certify against that stable branch.

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Post by Grof »

ruelle wrote:sorry Grof I don't know how to help you...
we need the attention of Wine gurus...
I tried install AutoCAD 2008, and I succeed! Without any patch and recompile wine 1.1.4, only known winetricks...

but acad 2008 is unstable (errors in initialize CUI....)

Installation of ServicePack to acad 2008 made all of Wine useless and you must erease .wine directory and reconfigure with winecfg....
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Re: Autocad 2008 and wine

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Dotan Cohen wrote: In addition to Wine Gurus, you might want to ask Audodesk to certify
AutoCAD for Wine:
http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/in ... id=1073074

Don't forget to mention that now that there is a 1.0 release of Wine,
they can certify against that stable branch.

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Dotan Cohen
Sorry but I'm little sceptic about this. Why?
Because the newest ACAD 2009 use .NET 3.0 technology and Wine do not support .NET 3.0 (only .NET 2.0 via winetricks)
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Autocad 2008 and wine

Post by Dotan Cohen »

2008/9/18 Grof <[email protected]>:
Sorry but I'm little sceptic about this. Why?
Because the newest ACAD 2009 use .NET 3.0 technology and Wine do not support .NET 3.0 (only .NET 2.0 via winetricks)
While Autodesk may never have a native Linux version of AutoCAD, they
can make life easier for people who need to run the software in Wine
by using technologies that do run in Wine. They do a lot of testing on
various configurations of hardware and software on three Windows
operating systems already, and avoid technologies that do not run on
all of them. Wine could be added to the list of their testing
platforms. This benefits you, the consumer, because you can then run
AutoCAD on your platform of choice. It also benefits them as their
software becomes available to Linux users. The only reason this is not
yet the case is because they do not see Linux as a large enough target
market. That's why we need to write to them and let them know how we
are running their software.

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Post by Grof »

This is your text, or you copied them from Autodesk forums??

Why I ask? Because Autodesk implement the newest Microsoft's technologies as .NET 3.0 and they do not want to downgrade products only for reasons like working on Wine...

I vote for that (working acad under Wine direct from Autodesk), but I do not believe that will be happen!

Here is the very interesting text about AutoCAD and Linux....
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Post by jeffz »

Grof wrote:This is your text, or you copied them from Autodesk forums??

Why I ask? Because Autodesk implement the newest Microsoft's technologies as .NET 3.0 and they do not want to downgrade products only for reasons like working on Wine...

I vote for that (working acad under Wine direct from Autodesk), but I do not believe that will be happen!

Here is the very interesting text about AutoCAD and Linux....
that thread has some amusing comments :)
Sorry to say it, but as much as I'm not a big fan of
Microsoft, the idea that Autodesk is going to to spend
hundreds of millions of dollars only to accomodate a
handful of Microsoft-haters and cheapskates, borders
on delusional.
Dotan Cohen

Autocad 2008 and wine

Post by Dotan Cohen »

2008/9/18 Grof <[email protected]>:
This is your text, or you copied them from Autodesk forums??
My own words. I am unfamiliar with the AutoCAD forums, I am more into
Solidworks.
Why I ask? Because Autodesk implement the newest Microsoft's
technologies as .NET 3.0 and they do not want to downgrade products
only for reasons like working on Wine...
Of course they will not rewrite the software in another technology.
However, had they known that running AutoCAD in Wine was important,
they might not have switched to .NET 3.0 before it runs in Wine.
Likewise, if you start letting them know _now_ that there is demand
for AutoCAD on Linux, then in the future they won't switch from .NET
3.0 to .NET 4.0 before it runs in Wine.
I vote for that (working acad under Wine direct from Autodesk), but I do
not believe that will be happen!
It won't happen anytime soon. But if we start letting them know now
that we need Linux support, future versions may well run in Wine when
they see that as a viable market.

Don't forget, every software manufacturer that releases Linux- or
Wine- compatible software sets precedent for the others. It also helps
more people move to Linux, which is a snowball effect.

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Post by Grof »

Yes, but please concentrate on parts of the text which talking about implementations of MS Technology. MS and Autodesk has very strong colaborations and support each oder!

Politics and money against users and wants!
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Re: Autocad 2008 and wine

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Dotan Cohen wrote: Of course they will not rewrite the software in another technology.
However, had they known that running AutoCAD in Wine was important,
they might not have switched to .NET 3.0 before it runs in Wine.
Likewise, if you start letting them know _now_ that there is demand
for AutoCAD on Linux, then in the future they won't switch from .NET
3.0 to .NET 4.0 before it runs in Wine.
Wrong! They ARE switched to .NET 3.0.
My AutoCAD 2009 and Civil 3D 2009 running under .NET 3.0!

All MS Vista is under .NET 3.0. So if you want to make apps compatible with Vista, than use .NET 3.0... This is another politics, too!
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Re: Autocad 2008 and wine

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Grof wrote: All MS Vista is under .NET 3.0. So if you want to make apps compatible with Vista, than use .NET 3.0... This is another politics, too!
This is wrong. My application (even if not Autocad) is still working with .NET 2 and has a Vista version (god knows how long) but a .NET 2 application CAN run under Vista.
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Post by miciomax »

Grof wrote: I tried install AutoCAD 2008, and I succeed! Without any patch and recompile wine 1.1.4, only known winetricks...

but acad 2008 is unstable (errors in initialize CUI....)
The CUI error is due to (IIRC) msxml3 (must be native) and because of the registry bug on which I wrote 3 patches but none of them was applied to wine three.
Just dig on wine bugzilla, grab the patch, apply it and rebuild wine. better, look at autocad 2005 howto, it works for 2008 and has a step-by-step explanation.
BTW, on my wine (1.1.2) 2008 is still by far more unstable than 2005, so I suggest you to not use it for production purposes. 2005 works wonderful (using it daily) besides of slow TTF rendering and a crash on multiline text edit. Slow TTF is really annoying, we could find restrict the cause of it but nobody has still written a patch for it. Just write a small autolisp/activex app that changes all ttf from drawing to an back to vector builtin fonts.

Ciao

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Re: Autocad 2008 and wine

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Timeout wrote: This is wrong. My application (even if not Autocad) is still working with .NET 2 and has a Vista version (god knows how long) but a .NET 2 application CAN run under Vista.
Of course they can, .NET 3.0 is downward compatible with .NET 2.0.

I just sad that ACAD 2009 using .NET 3.0, and no chanse to run it on Wine until somebody write new winetrick for .NET 3.0 installation under WIne...

ACAD 2009 can NOT running under .NET 2.0 - that is the point :wink:
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Post by miciomax »

dotnet was a (succesful) effort of M$ to make it difficult to port apps to other os, as directx. And with continuous obsoleting of old visual studio and dx versions, software houses are almost obliged to upgrade. AFAIK dotnet is used just in a very small part of autocad, but that small part makes it impossible to run it without.
I remember when Autocad 2005 came out, the only *really* buggy part was the new layer manager, one of the few dotnet parts. And it's slower than its previous counterpart.... I guess it was just a dotnet coding exercise for autodesk programmers.
IMHO that's a (not so) subtle kind of monopoly.

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Post by ruelle »

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13801#c40

When dib engine will be implemented?

http://repo.or.cz/w/wine/dibeng-hd.git
(last action 2008-07-30..)

http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-de ... 67927.html
Outlook is more important than AutoCAD?
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Post by Timeout »

For Codeweavers, probably yes, since it is turning money in. Idealism won't pay the tax bills and Outlook will probably be the law of the most return for the least effort (compared to AutoCad).
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Post by Grof »

Timeout wrote:
For Codeweavers, probably yes, since it is turning money in. Idealism won't pay the tax bills and Outlook will probably be the law of the most return for the least effort (compared to AutoCad).
Funny...

Why people who loves Microsoft products (Outlook, MS Office) do not simply stay on Windows? In the Linux world we have many good, better alternatives for these programs... :roll:

Sorry on my light off-topic...
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Post by Timeout »

Because you can't understand that to need office != to want Windows.

Seriously I am on Linux, I have on my distro OpenOffice + MS Office, but still OpenOffice is being used but I will never make a last check of a file without MS office because there are still a lot messed around between the two when you are using it more than for your private letters.

I am happy that Wine and Crossover makes me possible not to have to go to Windows every day, but for the sake of my business, I can't forget MS office when clients complains that their files comes back with an awkward formatting.
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Timeout wrote:Because you can't understand that to need office != to want Windows.

Seriously I am on Linux, I have on my distro OpenOffice + MS Office, but still OpenOffice is being used but I will never make a last check of a file without MS office because there are still a lot messed around between the two when you are using it more than for your private letters.

I am happy that Wine and Crossover makes me possible not to have to go to Windows every day, but for the sake of my business, I can't forget MS office when clients complains that their files comes back with an awkward formatting.
I agree (partially) about M$ Office, we should make our customers used to Openoffice, as it's free. I DON'T agree about outlook, it's just inferior to Linux couterparts and you don't need it to deploy anything.
Outlook is IMHO the best virus-share tool on the world. Why should we need it on Linux ?
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Post by Timeout »

Outlook is a special case:

All big companies where I had the chance to see which E-Mail they were using had Lotus Notes on an intranet.
I can't find an answer either, maybe some because Outlook had some manager but compared to Lotus Notes to this purpose it is not much developped.
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