Debian updates

[Jim Hall]

Once again Debian has no updates. Is there any reason for this to happen?

Jim
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[Paul Johnson]

On Tuesday 29 April 2008 11:04:25 pm Jim Hall wrote:

Once again Debian has no updates. Is there any reason for this to happen?

I could be wrong, but my understanding is that Ove Kaaven, the Debian
maintainer of wine, is a volunteer with a life and a job to attend to, as
well as the Debian flightgear/simgear packages to maintain. Just Debianwise,
he has a lot to juggle (since both wine and simgear/flightgear are fairly
active), but he is generally fairly timely about keeping it all up to date.

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Paul Johnson
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[Jim Hall]

On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 8:08 PM, Paul Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:

On Tuesday 29 April 2008 11:04:25 pm Jim Hall wrote:

Once again Debian has no updates. Is there any reason for this to

happen?

I could be wrong, but my understanding is that Ove Kaaven, the Debian
maintainer of wine, is a volunteer with a life and a job to attend to, as
well as the Debian flightgear/simgear packages to maintain. Just
Debianwise,
he has a lot to juggle (since both wine and simgear/flightgear are fairly
active), but he is generally fairly timely about keeping it all up to
date.

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Paul Johnson
[email protected]

With all due respect, I understand "volunter", "life", and "job". I was not
trying to be critical, only seeking an explanation. I'm sure you didn't mean
that two releases behind was "timely". Having said that, is there something
I (or anyone) can do to help?

Jim
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[Ove Kaaven]

Paul Johnson skrev:

On Tuesday 29 April 2008 11:04:25 pm Jim Hall wrote:

Once again Debian has no updates. Is there any reason for this to happen?

I could be wrong, but my understanding is that Ove Kaaven, the Debian
maintainer of wine,

I was assuming he meant the Debian binaries on www.winehq.org, which are
built by Scott Ritchie, not by me. (There's already 0.9.60 in the
official Debian unstable repository (sid) - it takes a while for
packages in unstable to propagate into testing, of course, but testing
users would know that.)

The last week, I also happen to have been working on preparing the
official Debian packages for team-maintenance, so they won't always
depend on my own spare time.

The packaging structure of Scott's packages and mine are quite
different, by the way; they follow the Ubuntu-style packaging, not the
current Debian style. And I personally feel that his packaging might
work fine for Ubuntu, but less so for Debian; Debian has always had its
own way to do things (and those ways aren't always about making popular
decisions or following the wishes of whoever wrote their software)...

[Hellmark]

On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 8:08 PM, Paul Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:

On Tuesday 29 April 2008 11:04:25 pm Jim Hall wrote:

Once again Debian has no updates. Is there any reason for this to

happen?
I could be wrong, but my understanding is that Ove Kaaven, the Debian
maintainer of wine, is a volunteer with a life and a job to attend to, as
well as the Debian flightgear/simgear packages to maintain. Just
Debianwise,
he has a lot to juggle (since both wine and simgear/flightgear are fairly
active), but he is generally fairly timely about keeping it all up to
date.

With all due respect, I understand "volunter", "life", and "job". I was not
trying to be critical, only seeking an explanation. I'm sure you didn't mean
that two releases behind was "timely". Having said that, is there something
I (or anyone) can do to help?

I understand the being busy part too, and so don't blame him or really
can complain much, I just wouldn't say making updates every 3 or 4
versions as timely either (since that is normally how often the debian
Wine packages are updated). Although, right now, 0.9.60 is in the
unstable branch, and 0.9.59 was the version before that, so lately
things are good.

[Jim Hall]

On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 8:21 AM, Keith Brown <[email protected]> wrote:

On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 8:08 PM, Paul Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
I understand the being busy part too, and so don't blame him or really can
complain much, I just wouldn't say making updates every 3 or 4 versions as
timely either (since that is normally how often the debian Wine packages are
updated). Although, right now, 0.9.60 is in the unstable branch, and 0.9.59
was the version before that, so lately things are good.

Thanks for the more detailed info, folks. But apples & oranges, I think. I
get my deb's from budgetdedicated (for etch). Are you suggesting that I use
the sid one? if so, will it work with etch? If it will that would solve a
whole lot of problems!

Jim
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[DRNewcomb]

The packaging structure of Scott's packages and mine are quite
different, by the way; they follow the Ubuntu-style packaging, not the
current Debian style. And I personally feel that his packaging might
work fine for Ubuntu, but less so for Debian; Debian has always had its
own way to do things (and those ways aren't always about making popular
decisions or following the wishes of whoever wrote their software)...

Hmmm. That would have been good to have known when I was selecting which distribution to install. However, questions seeking this sort of information seem to get cut off pretty quickly.

[Hellmark]

From: "Jim Hall" <[email protected]>
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 8:21 AM, Keith Brown <[email protected]> wrote:

On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 8:08 PM, Paul Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
I understand the being busy part too, and so don't blame him or really can
complain much, I just wouldn't say making updates every 3 or 4 versions as
timely either (since that is normally how often the debian Wine packages are
updated). Although, right now, 0.9.60 is in the unstable branch, and 0.9.59
was the version before that, so lately things are good.

Thanks for the more detailed info, folks. But apples & oranges, I think. I
get my deb's from budgetdedicated (for etch). Are you suggesting that I use
the sid one? if so, will it work with etch? If it will that would solve a
whole lot of problems!

From what I've seen, of the official debian packages, etch is
absolutely horrible, and is way out of date (0.9.25), unless you use the
backport. The backports tend to be the same release as Lenny, which
right now is 0.9.59. Under normal conditions for debian, Testing can be
as much as 8 releases out of date. I use sid, and so I go with the sid
packages, and really have no problem (for a desktop, really not much of
a reason to not use sid, since it is honestly far from unstable).

As far as the wine packages in the sid pool go, like I said, they're
normally a few versions out of date, but with the occasional spurt where
no releases are missed. Also, it usually is a bit before the packages
hit the pool (I remember .58 hit the package pool 8 days after the wine
dev team released .59). Looking at my package archive for this machine,
it went as follows .30, .31, 32, 33, .34, .39, .44, .47, .52, .53, .54,
.56, .58, .59, and .60. 30 versions of wine, with a total of 15 packages
in between.

[Ove Kaaven]

DRNewcomb skrev:

Ove Kaaven wrote:

The packaging structure of Scott's packages and mine are quite
different, by the way; they follow the Ubuntu-style packaging, not the
current Debian style. And I personally feel that his packaging might
work fine for Ubuntu, but less so for Debian; Debian has always had its
own way to do things (and those ways aren't always about making popular
decisions or following the wishes of whoever wrote their software)...

Hmmm. That would have been good to have known when I was selecting which distribution to install. However, questions seeking this sort of information seem to get cut off pretty quickly.

Hmm, how would this have affected your decision, then? It's not like one
of these is really fundamentally better than the other, but admittedly,
they do represent different philosophies.

[DRNewcomb]

Hmm, how would this have affected your decision, then? It's not like one
of these is really fundamentally better than the other, but admittedly,
they do represent different philosophies.

If the most up-to-date Wine binary releases tend to lean toward one distribution or the other. That's what I was getting at. For instance, it looks (in my naiveté) like Scott's installation instructions have some issues that don't quite work the way they should in Debian. He and I have communicated about this. Had I been aware of this complication in advance I might have picked differently.