Steam Games Don't Work. Please Help!

[MooTM]

I bought a new computer for myself, and installed Kubuntu on it. I installed Steam on it, bought the orange box, tried to run TF2, and it didn't work. When I started it up, t showed the VALVE logo and played their little jingle, showed the Source logo, then the screen went blank and nothing happened . It opened it in the Konsole (Terminal) and it gave me this when the screen (on the desktop that I had TF2 on) went blank:

wineserver crashed, please enable coredumps (ulimit -c unlimited) and restart.

(There were a few error messages before that, something about GLshaders, but the above seemed to be the main thing.) So I looked online, and other people have been having the same problem. They were told to downgrade Wine to a more stable version. So I am posting this for 3 reasons:
1. To get extra confirmation on what I should do.
2. To see if the solution to the other cases is the same for this.
3. To find out how to put the solution into action (e.g. downgrade Wine)

Please Help!

[MooTM]

I think I'm on Kubuntu Jaunty...

[Susan Cragin]

I bought a new computer for myself, and installed Kubuntu on it. I installed Steam on it, bought the orange box, tried to run TF2, and it didn't work. When I started it up, t showed the VALVE logo and played their little jingle, showed the Source logo, then the screen went blank and nothing happened . It opened it in the Konsole (Terminal) and it gave me this when the screen (on the desktop that I had TF2 on) went blank:

wineserver crashed, please enable coredumps (ulimit -c unlimited) and restart.

(There were a few error messages before that, something about GLshaders, but the above seemed to be the main thing.) So I looked online, and other people have been having the same problem. They were told to downgrade Wine to a more stable version. So I am posting this for 3 reasons:
1. To get extra confirmation on what I should do.
2. To see if the solution to the other cases is the same for this.
3. To find out how to put the solution into action (e.g. downgrade Wine)

Please Help! [Exclamation] [Crying or Very sad]

Oh, there's a Ubuntu bug about this, too, with some information... I just looked and I can't find it now. Sorry.

[Daily_Lama]

i suppose you are running wine 1.1.23. that version had a regression that broke all steam games with source engine.
just update to wine 1.1.24 and everything should be fine.

[MooTM]

i suppose you are running wine 1.1.23. that version had a regression that broke all steam games with source engine.
just update to wine 1.1.24 and everything should be fine.

So you think I should UPGRADE from 1.1.23 Beta to 1.1.24 Beta which is going to still be a bit unstable, rather than downgrade to a stable version; 1.0.1? Thnx for the help, I will wait for more replies and see what the majority says before taking a decision (not saying that your advice is wrong). In the mean time, I don't suppose you could tell me how to update plz? (it's probably really simple, but I'm new to Linux). Thnx for the help all the same

[tparker]

MooTM wrote:

So you think I should UPGRADE from 1.1.23 Beta to 1.1.24 Beta which is
going to still be a bit unstable, rather than downgrade to a stable
version; 1.0.1?

I don't play Steam games so do not know the specifics of making them
work in wine, but that poster was correct about the regression problems
in 1.1.23 and changing to a different version is fairly consistent and
solid advise for many wine issues. If you do decide to go to a lower
version for stability, I would not recommend going as far back as 1.0.1
even though it is the version listed as 'stable'. There are many
important improvements after that version that you would be missing out
on and could end up facing more issues with your specific program
because of that. If you want to drop back versions try it in smaller
chunks and do a quick search of the db and forum to pick one that didn't
seem to have issues with the programs you are looking to use, possibly
try 1.1.20.

[Svenn Are Bjerkem]

So you think I should UPGRADE from 1.1.23 Beta to 1.1.24 Beta which is going to still be a bit unstable, rather than downgrade to a stable version; 1.0.1? Thnx for the help, I will wait for more replies and see what the majority says before taking a decision (not saying that your advice is wrong). In the mean time, I don't suppose you could tell me how to update plz? (it's probably really simple, but I'm new to Linux). Thnx for the help all the same

With synaptic package manager (I'm on debian, mother of [K]Ubuntu) you can force packages to install from other repositories than the one you originally installed from. You will probably have to add something like and "experimental" or "unstable" line to your /etc/apt/sources.list file (Synaptic offers this in Settings->Repositories, Third-party Software). Since I use Debian, your Kubuntu milage may vary, but if you have a search on ubuntuforums, I guess you will find how to write an apt line to get more experimental versions. Just for the record, in Debian experimental, wine-1.1.22 is available and not the newer betas listed above. Then you may need to compile from source. Nice practical exercise for a newbe Tip: search for compiling debian package from source in your favourite search engine.

--
Svenn

[MooTM]

[/quote]
I don't play Steam games so do not know the specifics of making them
work in wine, but that poster was correct about the regression problems
in 1.1.23 and changing to a different version is fairly consistent and
solid advise for many wine issues. If you do decide to go to a lower
version for stability, I would not recommend going as far back as 1.0.1
even though it is the version listed as 'stable'. There are many
important improvements after that version that you would be missing out
on and could end up facing more issues with your specific program
because of that. If you want to drop back versions try it in smaller
chunks and do a quick search of the db and forum to pick one that didn't
seem to have issues with the programs you are looking to use, possibly
try 1.1.20.[/quote]
Thankyou very much! Thats is very helpful! If you know how, could you maybe tell me how to do this please? (I'm new to Linux, it's so complicated lol!) Thnx v. much again!

[MooTM]

K thnx, but theres one problem... my synaptic manager doesn't work... It just suddenly stopped working, it says something like 'List needs updating, this should have been done automaticly...' or something like that. Plus I already enabled the Wine permission thingy and the Scottie Ritchie key (I still have no idea what that is lol) Thnx anyway

[tparker]

MooTM wrote:

If you know how, could you maybe tell me how to do this please? (I'm new to Linux, it's so complicated lol!) Thnx v. much again!

If I remember correctly you are using Ubuntu. If that is correct you can
go to this page: http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/archive/index.html
and download the package for your computer of the version you want, this
lists versions older than the current one in your repositories. Once you
have finished the download you should be able to install by double
clicking on the package.

If you are not in Ubuntu go to this page: http://www.winehq.org/download
and follow the link for your distribution. Most of them will either have
a list of versions to choose from or a link to another page that has
them (except the Fedora page, that one is not newbie friendly).

Another page to bookmark in case you need it in the future is this one:
http://www.winehq.org/docs/wineusr-guid ... ine-source
That has instructions for installing wine from the source code. You will
need to do that if you ever land in a spot where the version you need
doesn't have packages pre-built for your distribution of Linux. You
should not need it right now, but it's a handy page to mark.

[vitamin]

I installed Steam on it, bought the orange box, tried to run TF2, and it didn't work.
wineserver crashed, please enable coredumps (ulimit -c unlimited) and restart.

This problem is fixed in wine-1.1.24. However, Wine's performance in TF2 really sucks and not playable on the real servers.

You can get it to some-what okish FPS with -dxlevel 81 TF2 command line option (set from Steam). But it still not stable and really laggy.

[MooTM]

MooTM wrote:

If you know how, could you maybe tell me how to do this please? (I'm new to Linux, it's so complicated lol!) Thnx v. much again!

If I remember correctly you are using Ubuntu. If that is correct you can
go to this page: http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/archive/index.html
and download the package for your computer of the version you want, this
lists versions older than the current one in your repositories. Once you
have finished the download you should be able to install by double
clicking on the package.

Which one do I download? 'i386' , 'amd64' or 'lpia'
(I am on Ubuntu, Kubuntu to be precise.)

[James McKenzie]

MooTM wrote:

tparker wrote:

MooTM wrote:

If you know how, could you maybe tell me how to do this please? (I'm new to Linux, it's so complicated lol!) Thnx v. much again!

If I remember correctly you are using Ubuntu. If that is correct you can
go to this page: http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/archive/index.html
and download the package for your computer of the version you want, this
lists versions older than the current one in your repositories. Once you
have finished the download you should be able to install by double
clicking on the package.

Which one do I download? 'i386' , 'amd64' or 'lpia'
(I am on Ubuntu, Kubuntu to be precise.)

Depends on your processor:

i386 is for 32 bit Intel processors or 64 bit processors
amd64 is for 64 bit AMD processors
I don't know about lpia but it sounds like Intel 64 bit processors.

James McKenzie

[kodefive]

MooTM wrote:

tparker wrote:

MooTM wrote:

If I remember correctly you are using Ubuntu. If that is correct you can
go to this page: http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/archive/index.html
and download the package for your computer of the version you want, this
lists versions older than the current one in your repositories. Once you
have finished the download you should be able to install by double
clicking on the package.

Which one do I download? 'i386' , 'amd64' or 'lpia'
(I am on Ubuntu, Kubuntu to be precise.)

Depends on your processor:

i386 is for 32 bit Intel processors or 64 bit processors
amd64 is for 64 bit AMD processors
I don't know about lpia but it sounds like Intel 64 bit processors.

James McKenzie

Correction:
-i386 is for 32 bit INTEL-COMPATIBLE processors, and also for 64 bit AMD-COMPATIBLE processors with a 32 bit operating system.
-amd64 is for 64 bit AMD-COMPATIBLE processors (includes all Intel 64 bit processors, except Itanium)
-lpia is for intel atom

In general, if you have to ask, you probably need i386.

[MooTM]

MooTM wrote:

tparker wrote:
Which one do I download? 'i386' , 'amd64' or 'lpia'
(I am on Ubuntu, Kubuntu to be precise.)

Depends on your processor:

i386 is for 32 bit Intel processors or 64 bit processors
amd64 is for 64 bit AMD processors
I don't know about lpia but it sounds like Intel 64 bit processors.

James McKenzie

Correction:
-i386 is for 32 bit INTEL-COMPATIBLE processors, and also for 64 bit AMD-COMPATIBLE processors with a 32 bit operating system.
-amd64 is for 64 bit AMD-COMPATIBLE processors (includes all Intel 64 bit processors, except Itanium)
-lpia is for intel atom

In general, if you have to ask, you probably need i386.

Thnx guys. I just got back from a trip, so I just read this. Thnx!
(P.S. look at the quoting! Boxes within boxes within boxes...)

[MooTM]

All u guys have been so helpful so far with my Wine problems, so thnx!

I was wondering if there were any Steam players out there who could recommend a version of Wine that would work best, specifically for Team Fortress 2.
Thnx for all your help so far!

[MooTM]

Thought I would write this to kick my post back to the top of the list, cos this post has gone dead.

[vitamin]

I was wondering if there were any Steam players out there who could recommend a version of Wine that would work best, specifically for Team Fortress 2.

So far it never really worked usable enough to actually play it.

It crashes here after ~10-30 seconds. And it's been that way for a while. Also all the Steam updates don't help, as you can't use old Wine versions with new Steam.

[MooTM]

I was wondering if there were any Steam players out there who could recommend a version of Wine that would work best, specifically for Team Fortress 2.

So far it never really worked usable enough to actually play it.

It crashes here after ~10-30 seconds. And it's been that way for a while. Also all the Steam updates don't help, as you can't use old Wine versions with new Steam.

Well my big bro has it working on his computer fine, he lets me go on it sometimes. My bro is going to fix it but I posted this on the forums for additional research (this doesn't mean I want people to stop posting here, please keep helping! Thnx!)

[jorl17]

I was wondering if there were any Steam players out there who could recommend a version of Wine that would work best, specifically for Team Fortress 2.

So far it never really worked usable enough to actually play it.

It crashes here after ~10-30 seconds. And it's been that way for a while. Also all the Steam updates don't help, as you can't use old Wine versions with new Steam.

Bohoo, I really hate their steam agreements, they make me sick!

Anyway, glad you're getting someway MooTM

Jorl17

[David Griffith]

On Sun, 12 Jul 2009, jorl17 wrote:

vitamin wrote:

MooTM wrote:

I was wondering if there were any Steam players out there who could
recommend a version of Wine that would work best, specifically for
Team Fortress 2.

So far it never really worked usable enough to actually play it.

It crashes here after ~10-30 seconds. And it's been that way for a
while. Also all the Steam updates don't help, as you can't use old Wine
versions with new Steam.

Bohoo, I really hate their steam agreements, they make me sick!

Anyway, glad you're getting someway MooTM

I'm not sure what you guys are stumbling over, but I just lauched Portal
and it works fine except for some choppyness from a high load average.

--
David Griffith
[email protected]

A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

[vitamin]

I'm not sure what you guys are stumbling over, but I just lauched Portal and it works fine except for some choppyness from a high load average.

Portal and TF2 are two totally different games now. Yes they had the same engine to begin with, but that was long time ago.

Valve added lots of extras to TF2, with each adding more problems to Wine. About a year ago I could run long demos with TF2 in offline mode. Now same demos play for 10-30 seconds and TF2 crashes.

[MooTM]

I'm not sure what you guys are stumbling over, but I just lauched Portal and it works fine except for some choppyness from a high load average.

Portal and TF2 are two totally different games now. Yes they had the same engine to begin with, but that was long time ago.

Valve added lots of extras to TF2, with each adding more problems to Wine. About a year ago I could run long demos with TF2 in offline mode. Now same demos play for 10-30 seconds and TF2 crashes.

Portal doesn't work either! I doubt that HL2, HL2:Ep. 1, or HL2:Ep. 2 work either (I have the Orange Box). Even though I haven't bothered installing them because my bro is going to reformat my computer because it's all messed up. For example (This isn't a wine problem) My Synaptic Package Mangager doesn't work!
When I click on Software Updates, it says:

Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)

When I type anything into Software Management it says either:

Package cache could not be opened

or

Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)

HELP!

(Thanks so much to everyone who has helped so far! You have all been awsome! )

[Susan Cragin]

David Griffith wrote:

I'm not sure what you guys are stumbling over, but I just lauched Portal and it works fine except for some choppyness from a high load average.

Portal and TF2 are two totally different games now. Yes they had the same engine to begin with, but that was long time ago.
Valve added lots of extras to TF2, with each adding more problems to Wine. About a year ago I could run long demos with TF2 in offline mode. Now same demos play for 10-30 seconds and TF2 crashes.

Portal doesn't work either! I doubt that HL2, HL2:Ep. 1, or HL2:Ep. 2 work either (I have the Orange Box). Even though I haven't bothered installing them because my bro is going to reformat my computer because it's all messed up. For example (This isn't a wine problem) My Synaptic Package Mangager doesn't work!
When I click on Software Updates, it says:
Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)
When I type anything into Software Management it says either:
Package cache could not be opened
or
Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)
HELP!
(Thanks so much to everyone who has helped so far! You have all been awsome! )

I just got here, and don't know what I'm talking about, but don't forget to undo the insidiousness of pulseaudio:

sudo nano /etc/pulse/client.conf

--then edit the following to:
autospawn = no