CodeWeavers released CrossOver Games today!

twickline · Post by **twickline** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:47 pm

An Introduction CrossOver Games

CrossOver Games is a commercial variant of Wine released by CodeWeavers with support for many of today's most popular games. CrossOver Games is tested for performance and stability with many games such as Guild Wars, Eve Online, and Steam games like Half-Life 2 and Portal.

Link: Full Article

Mark Knecht · Post by **Mark Knecht** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:53 pm

On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 11:47 AM, twickline <[email protected]> wrote:

An Introduction CrossOver Games

CrossOver Games is a commercial variant of Wine released by CodeWeavers with support for many of today's most popular games. CrossOver Games is tested for performance and stability with many games such as Guild Wars, Eve Online, and Steam games like Half-Life 2 and Portal.

Link: Full Article (http://wine-review.blogspot.com/2007/07 ... games.html)

Interesting and reasonably priced, but I'm not clear what's the
difference from standard Wine or Transgaming's Cedega?

Granted, I only scanned the immediate page and didn't do much study.

thanks,
Mark

Paul Johnson · Post by **Paul Johnson** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:16 pm

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On Tuesday 25 March 2008 11:52:41 am Mark Knecht wrote:

On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 11:47 AM, twickline <[email protected]>

wrote:

An Introduction CrossOver Games

CrossOver Games is a commercial variant of Wine released by CodeWeavers
with support for many of today's most popular games. CrossOver Games is
tested for performance and stability with many games such as Guild Wars,
Eve Online, and Steam games like Half-Life 2 and Portal.

Link: Full Article
(http://wine-review.blogspot.com/2007/07 ... over-games.
html)
Interesting and reasonably priced, but I'm not clear what's the
difference from standard Wine or Transgaming's Cedega?

I'm not entirely clear on the difference between Wine and Crossover Games in
this case.

However, my understanding is Transgaming has been rather negligent in holding
up their promise to kick patches back to the Wine project, as I understand
it. It's been a while since I've dealt with Transgaming at all; between that
and their customer billing support being so poor, my time as a Cedega
customer/user was very short lived to say the least. I'm a little surprised
to discover they're still around three years later; from dealing with
Transgaming, I got the impression they were a fly-by-night operation.

- --
Paul Johnson
[email protected]
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vitamin · Post by **vitamin** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:20 pm

Mark Knecht wrote:On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 11:47 AM, twickline <[email protected]> wrote:
An Introduction CrossOver Games

CrossOver Games is a commercial variant of Wine released by CodeWeavers with support for many of today's most popular games. CrossOver Games is tested for performance and stability with many games such as Guild Wars, Eve Online, and Steam games like Half-Life 2 and Portal.

Link: Full Article (http://wine-review.blogspot.com/2007/07 ... games.html)

Interesting and reasonably priced, but I'm not clear what's the
difference from standard Wine or Transgaming's Cedega?

Granted, I only scanned the immediate page and didn't do much study.

thanks,
Mark

I bet there are several patches that address specific game problems that otherwise not suitable for Wine. Pretty much the same thing that makes Crossover Office different from Wine.
I for one can think of "font of death" problem. the patch for it existed for a long time. But it's a hack not a proper patch - so it won't ever be part of Wine.

jwhite · Post by **jwhite** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:24 pm

Hi Mark,

Interesting and reasonably priced, but I'm not clear what's the
difference from standard Wine or Transgaming's Cedega?

Granted, I only scanned the immediate page and didn't do much study.

CrossOver is a polished and supported version of Wine. As such,
it's core is very similar to that of Wine. The primary difference
from Wine is that we test and insure that a given set of applications work well,
and then back that with our customer support.

Transgaming is based on an older version of Wine (although they
are increasingly bringing in parts of modern Wine as well), and also
includes some proprietary code. I'm rather biased, but I think that
modern Wine has now surpassed the proprietary bits that Transgaming
has, and that, on balance, Wine (and therefore CrossOver) is the
better overall gaming platform. With that said, there will be
quite a few cases where it works well in one place, but not the other,
and vice versa.

From a philosophical perspective, the other crucial difference
is that all of the work we do on Wine, we give back to WineHQ.
Transgaming has not had a history of doing the same.

Thus, a dollar spent on CrossOver is a dollar spent on a Wine
developer. Again, I'm extremely biased, but I think it's a more
wisely spent dollar <grin>.

Cheers,

Jeremy

DARKGuy . · Post by **DARKGuy .** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:46 pm

Yeah, Transgaming might have stopped sending patches to WINE, however,
there is stuff that they've made that just works that WINE hasn't
added yet either for one or other policy, I'm not a developer to say
why. All I know is that Need for Speed: Most Wanted shows textures in
Cedega while WINE doesn't, yet.

However, WINE totally rocks for playing WoW ^^;.

On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Paul Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:

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On Tuesday 25 March 2008 11:52:41 am Mark Knecht wrote:
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 11:47 AM, twickline <[email protected]>
wrote:
An Introduction CrossOver Games

CrossOver Games is a commercial variant of Wine released by CodeWeavers
with support for many of today's most popular games. CrossOver Games is
tested for performance and stability with many games such as Guild Wars,
Eve Online, and Steam games like Half-Life 2 and Portal.

Link: Full Article
(http://wine-review.blogspot.com/2007/07 ... over-games.
html)
Interesting and reasonably priced, but I'm not clear what's the
difference from standard Wine or Transgaming's Cedega?
I'm not entirely clear on the difference between Wine and Crossover Games in
this case.

However, my understanding is Transgaming has been rather negligent in holding
up their promise to kick patches back to the Wine project, as I understand
it. It's been a while since I've dealt with Transgaming at all; between that
and their customer billing support being so poor, my time as a Cedega
customer/user was very short lived to say the least. I'm a little surprised
to discover they're still around three years later; from dealing with
Transgaming, I got the impression they were a fly-by-night operation.

- --
Paul Johnson
[email protected]
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Mark Knecht · Post by **Mark Knecht** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:57 pm

Jeremy & vitamin,
Thanks for the responses.

After checking out the requirements page I will likely try the demo
and see how it goes. Being that I'm a Gentoo user and Codeweavers
isn't going to support that distro I'd like to ensure that things go
well before spending the $40 but none the less I'm excited.

I suppose another question might be how much better Crossover Games
works compared to standard leading edge Wine but maybe that's putting
too fine a point on it. I'll get the demo and see if it works for me.
From a practical standpoint he Codeweavers compatibility section for
games is pretty much in its infancy at this point so I hope to see
that grow in the future. My first question as I looked around was
wondering whether gaming apps that were in there had been checked were
checked in Crossover Games or Crossover Office? Maybe I missed it. I
don't know yet.

Anyway, I am really happy to see a second path for Windows gamers
in Linux. That's not really me but I've got one in the house.

Cheers,
Mark

On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Jeremy White <[email protected]> wrote:

Hi Mark,

Interesting and reasonably priced, but I'm not clear what's the
difference from standard Wine or Transgaming's Cedega?

Granted, I only scanned the immediate page and didn't do much study.
CrossOver is a polished and supported version of Wine. As such,
it's core is very similar to that of Wine. The primary difference
from Wine is that we test and insure that a given set of applications work well,
and then back that with our customer support.

Transgaming is based on an older version of Wine (although they
are increasingly bringing in parts of modern Wine as well), and also
includes some proprietary code. I'm rather biased, but I think that
modern Wine has now surpassed the proprietary bits that Transgaming
has, and that, on balance, Wine (and therefore CrossOver) is the
better overall gaming platform. With that said, there will be
quite a few cases where it works well in one place, but not the other,
and vice versa.

From a philosophical perspective, the other crucial difference
is that all of the work we do on Wine, we give back to WineHQ.
Transgaming has not had a history of doing the same.

Thus, a dollar spent on CrossOver is a dollar spent on a Wine
developer. Again, I'm extremely biased, but I think it's a more
wisely spent dollar <grin>.

Cheers,

Jeremy

Mark Knecht · Post by **Mark Knecht** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:58 pm

On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Paul Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:

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On Tuesday 25 March 2008 11:52:41 am Mark Knecht wrote:
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 11:47 AM, twickline <[email protected]>
wrote:
An Introduction CrossOver Games

CrossOver Games is a commercial variant of Wine released by CodeWeavers
with support for many of today's most popular games. CrossOver Games is
tested for performance and stability with many games such as Guild Wars,
Eve Online, and Steam games like Half-Life 2 and Portal.

Link: Full Article
(http://wine-review.blogspot.com/2007/07 ... over-games.
html)
Interesting and reasonably priced, but I'm not clear what's the
difference from standard Wine or Transgaming's Cedega?
I'm not entirely clear on the difference between Wine and Crossover Games in
this case.

However, my understanding is Transgaming has been rather negligent in holding
up their promise to kick patches back to the Wine project, as I understand
it. It's been a while since I've dealt with Transgaming at all; between that
and their customer billing support being so poor, my time as a Cedega
customer/user was very short lived to say the least. I'm a little surprised
to discover they're still around three years later; from dealing with
Transgaming, I got the impression they were a fly-by-night operation.

- --
Paul Johnson

It's sort of funny Paul that we have the same story. I got started
with both Codeweavers & Transgaming a couple of years ago. When I left
Silicon Valley to start a second career I stopped needing Crossover
Office but as someone trying to get his kid to use Linux I got a
Cedega subscription and paid $5/month for a few years until that
credit card needed to be updated due to the card's expiration date.
When I tried to resubscribe I found their system didn't work and I
couldn't. I sent an email to Transgaming about the problems and never
heard back so I no longer subscribe.

I like the folks at Codeweavers even if they have, in the past, been a
little bit tough on me for being a Gentoo user. I'd still like to
support them and the project. As long as I can use the new gaming
version it seems like a good enough way to spend what little fun money
I have these days.

Cheers,
Mark

twickline · Post by **twickline** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:04 pm

Paul Johnson wrote: I'm not entirely clear on the difference between Wine and Crossover Games in
this case.

However, my understanding is Transgaming has been rather negligent in holding
up their promise to kick patches back to the Wine project, as I understand
it. It's been a while since I've dealt with Transgaming at all; between that
and their customer billing support being so poor, my time as a Cedega
customer/user was very short lived to say the least. I'm a little surprised
to discover they're still around three years later; from dealing with
Transgaming, I got the impression they were a fly-by-night operation.

-Tom

Dean Hamstead · Post by **Dean Hamstead** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 6:14 pm

For some time transgamings product of cedega did do better at games that
wine. However, for over a year now wine has been vastly superior to
cedega. I left cedega, as you are paying for minor patches to fix
counter-strike and wow - neither of which i play.

Wine for me is largely for Dawn of War. However i have also spent the
time to get Stubbs the Zombie (and played it through, and posted on
appdb), Rollercoaster Tycoon 3 (played, added to appdb) and swat4
to run. I also play halflife2 mp from time to time.

Many of the aforementioned games dont even get close to working in
cedega, which meant apt-get remove cedega came as a very natural and
pleasurable experience.

Bottom line is that Transgaming is abandoning their customers in favour
of cider, their mac product.

Codeweavers drive wine, good work guys and gals. If i needed office i
would buy it!

But would someone please fix the mouse wrapping bug?

Dean

Jeremy White wrote:

Hi Mark,

Interesting and reasonably priced, but I'm not clear what's the
difference from standard Wine or Transgaming's Cedega?

Granted, I only scanned the immediate page and didn't do much study.
CrossOver is a polished and supported version of Wine. As such,
it's core is very similar to that of Wine. The primary difference
from Wine is that we test and insure that a given set of applications work well,
and then back that with our customer support.

Transgaming is based on an older version of Wine (although they
are increasingly bringing in parts of modern Wine as well), and also
includes some proprietary code. I'm rather biased, but I think that
modern Wine has now surpassed the proprietary bits that Transgaming
has, and that, on balance, Wine (and therefore CrossOver) is the
better overall gaming platform. With that said, there will be
quite a few cases where it works well in one place, but not the other,
and vice versa.

From a philosophical perspective, the other crucial difference
is that all of the work we do on Wine, we give back to WineHQ.
Transgaming has not had a history of doing the same.

Thus, a dollar spent on CrossOver is a dollar spent on a Wine
developer. Again, I'm extremely biased, but I think it's a more
wisely spent dollar <grin>.

Cheers,

Jeremy

--
http://fragfest.com.au

Hartmut Figge · Post by **Hartmut Figge** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 6:26 pm

Dean Hamstead:

But would someone please fix the mouse wrapping bug?

The one i see in Gothic 3? *g* Seems we have to wait for a new release
of X or to use one of the workarounds.

But since there are other bugs in Gothic3 like memory leak + crash and
rendering errors i will have to wait anyway.

Hartmut

Dean Hamstead · Post by **Dean Hamstead** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 6:32 pm

I dont know enough about whats actually causing the problem to be of any
value. I am tracking the bug though.

Dean

Hartmut Figge wrote:

Dean Hamstead:

But would someone please fix the mouse wrapping bug?
The one i see in Gothic 3? *g* Seems we have to wait for a new release
of X or to use one of the workarounds.

But since there are other bugs in Gothic3 like memory leak + crash and
rendering errors i will have to wait anyway.

Hartmut

--
http://fragfest.com.au

twickline · Post by **twickline** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:37 am

Mark Knecht wrote:Jeremy & vitamin,
Thanks for the responses.

After checking out the requirements page I will likely try the demo
and see how it goes. Being that I'm a Gentoo user and Codeweavers
isn't going to support that distro I'd like to ensure that things go
well before spending the $40 but none the less I'm excited.

I suppose another question might be how much better Crossover Games
works compared to standard leading edge Wine but maybe that's putting
too fine a point on it.

As for performance you can check this out :
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=a ... ames&num=1

-Tom

Marcel W. Wysocki · Post by **Marcel W. Wysocki** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 4:23 am

On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 00:26:08 +0100
Hartmut Figge <[email protected]> wrote:

But since there are other bugs in Gothic3 like memory leak + crash and
rendering errors i will have to wait anyway.

even on windows gothic3 is buggy as hell

--
Marcel W. Wysocki <[email protected]>
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