Wine and WoW Cataclysm Patch 4.0 troubleshooting thread

Speeddymon · Post by **Speeddymon** » Sat Oct 16, 2010 5:27 pm

lomaxfalconer wrote:also note Blizzard is dropping support for OpenGL, the new effects and many of the old ones no longer work and WOW crashes a ton with OpenGL.

I'm not sure where you heard that, but if that were the case, then why would they add Hardware Cursor support for OpenGL? I'm pretty sure, though admittedly not positive, that they are not dropping OpenGL support.

lomaxfalconer · Post by **lomaxfalconer** » Sat Oct 16, 2010 6:40 pm

they are adding more OpenGL support but through a Mac ApI called GLL . It now only works if you have a MAC.

second if you run WOW with -opengl you get almost all effects turned way down and they are grayed out and can not be set back to where they were before patch 4.0 .

This is because the new graphics engine that did many effects with the CPU have now been moved to the GPU and require DirectX.

Old VIA graphic cards that worked on the old engine are completely shut out and cant run the game even.

Hardware Mouse support was added a long time ago in the old Graphics engine but never turned on. they just pasted that code into the new engine.

All the programmers are working on the GLL layer for Macs and no effort is being put into OpenGL for windows as they plan to migrate all Graphics to DX9 and up off the CPU .

fuznacious · Post by **fuznacious** » Sat Oct 16, 2010 9:42 pm

Failing at login like everyone else here, but if I do

wine /home/username/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/World of Warcraft/Launcher.exe

it seems to work and, at the bottom of the Launcher screen, seems to be downloading more updates:

After that download is done I'll post again with my results.

fuznacious · Post by **fuznacious** » Sat Oct 16, 2010 11:08 pm

Seems to have worked... One thing I noticed when running winecfg, in the "Applications" tab when I highlighted wow.exe, then switched to the "Libraries" tab, there were no overrides (as I had placed in the "default" profile).

I added new overrides for msvcr80 and wldap32 (both Windows .dll files).

I had done this some months/years ago as WoW on WINE wanted them to run, but I can't remember what the problems were before.

I'm not sure if this fixed it, or if this is some new(er) finer grain of specificity for WINE, but I've logged in and see my toons. Now to try to play it...

fuznacious · Post by **fuznacious** » Sun Oct 17, 2010 1:47 am

It seems to work. I didn't get into any dungeons/raids, but I zoned back and forth between different cities/continents, and had no glitches.

I'm running WINE version wine-1.3.4 from the Fedora repositories (stock). My kernel is 2.6.34.7-56.fc13.x86_64 #1 SMP and I'm using nvidia drivers version 256.53 (called 256.53-2.fc13 by rpmfusion).

Hope all that helps someone.

fuznacious · Post by **fuznacious** » Sun Oct 17, 2010 3:01 am

By " I didn't get into any dungeons/raids" I mean I didn't attempt to get into any dungeons/raids. Sorry if that was confusing.

arcond · Post by **arcond** » Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:51 pm

Looking for some help here, I'm new to Ubuntu and I'm running WoW with Wine. Everything works great, however I've seen a lot of people say that the only way to get high shadows, water reflection and sunshafts is to run it in d3d mode. I've wiped out my WTF folder, run it in default, run it with the -d3d flag and with the -d3d11 flag. None of it makes much difference. I'm restricted to fair on most of the graphical options. Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong? Thanks in advance!

danyaeldemonic · Post by **danyaeldemonic** » Sat Oct 23, 2010 11:14 am

my wife and i are ubuntu 10.10, using wine 1.3. she has an NVIDIA 6100 and i have an NVIDIA 4500, both of us run about 2gigs of ram in our comps. same crashes that everyone is reporting. we're able to get into the game about half the time.

BlackNoxis · Post by **BlackNoxis** » Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:46 pm

I have the same issue, the game is actually working but the Launcher won't work (any type of private server I would try)

http://i53.tinypic.com/1zxb72s.jpg

Just a question I have : how can I backtrace it ? Or how can I use a debugger to see what's wrong ? Backtracing it means like running the application in terminal like wine application.exe ?

tparker · Post by **tparker** » Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:54 pm

On 09/26/2011 06:46 PM, BlackNoxis wrote:

I have the same issue, the game is actually working but the Launcher won't work (any type of private server I would try)

The WoW launcher very often does not work in Wine. Just navigate to the
WoW folder and run the game from wow.exe instead of launcher.exe and/or
change your shortcut to use wow.exe.

BlackNoxis · Post by **BlackNoxis** » Tue Sep 27, 2011 7:03 am

tparker wrote:On 09/26/2011 06:46 PM, BlackNoxis wrote:
I have the same issue, the game is actually working but the Launcher won't work (any type of private server I would try)
The WoW launcher very often does not work in Wine. Just navigate to the
WoW folder and run the game from wow.exe instead of launcher.exe and/or
change your shortcut to use wow.exe.

Same error occurred

JontomXire · Post by **JontomXire** » Wed Sep 28, 2011 8:17 am

About a year ago, before Cataclysm, on Kubuntu 10.10 with a 2.1Ghz single or dual core (can't remember) processor with 2Gb, and dual SLI enabled nVidia graphics cards, I managed to get WoW to run "almost" all right (in terms of FPS). It was fine except when things got a bit busy, such as in a 10 man raid boss fight

That machine recently died and I replace the motherboard, the CPU with a quad core 3.3Ghz AMD 64 bit chip, and now have 8Gb of RAM. I have installed Kubuntu 10.04 LTS (the stable release) and finally got OpenGL to work with the nVidia graphics drivers, and WoW now runs like a tortoise. My wife did some dailies and other house-keeping stuff last night, and she said it made her feel sick, especially when flying.

I've checked that glxinfo reports direct rendering as on, I've done the registry hack (it made no difference). I still have to check that I'm not doing software rendering as per http://celettu.wordpress.com/2009/03/25 ... mpositing/. I still have to tweak my SLI setting (currently set to "on" which apparently isn't a valid value) and may try experimenting with some of the other nvidia-xconfig settings.

The thing is that when I ran it previously, I didn't need to do any of these hacks or things.

Does anyone have any other ideas of what the problem might be and what I can try?

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FYI, the graphics options in the game are mostly grayed out and have messages in red saying things like that there are hardware problems with that option so it's been turned off. It sounds like what a previous poster was talking about. Damn Blizzard!

In other news, I saw a YouTube post with a video where the poster claimed to be able to get 100 FPS on a sandbox server with Cataclysm. His machine spec was nowhere near as good as mine.

dardack · Post by **dardack** » Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:39 am

On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 9:17 AM, JontomXire <[email protected]> wrote:

About a year ago, before Cataclysm, on Kubuntu 10.10 with a 2.1Ghz single or dual core (can't remember) processor with 2Gb, and dual SLI enabled nVidia graphics cards, I managed to get WoW to run "almost" all right (in terms of FPS). It was fine except when things got a bit busy, such as in a 10 man raid boss fight

That machine recently died and I replace the motherboard, the CPU with a quad core 3.3Ghz AMD 64 bit chip, and now have 8Gb of RAM. I have installed Kubuntu 10.04 LTS (the stable release) and finally got OpenGL to work with the nVidia graphics drivers, and WoW now runs like a tortoise. My wife did some dailies and other house-keeping stuff last night, and she said it made her feel sick, especially when flying.

I've checked that glxinfo reports direct rendering as on, I've done the registry hack (it made no difference). I still have to check that I'm not doing software rendering as per http://celettu.wordpress.com/2009/03/25 ... mpositing/. I still have to tweak my SLI setting (currently set to "on" which apparently isn't a valid value) and may try experimenting with some of the other nvidia-xconfig settings.

The thing is that when I ran it previously, I didn't need to do any of these hacks or things.

Does anyone have any other ideas of what the problem might be and what I can try?

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FYI, the graphics options in the game are mostly grayed out and have messages in red saying things like that there are hardware problems with that option so it's been turned off. It sounds like what a previous poster was talking about. Damn Blizzard!

In other news, I saw a YouTube post with a video where the poster claimed to be able to get 100 FPS on a sandbox server with Cataclysm. His machine spec was nowhere near as good as mine.

I easily got 120 fps nowhere, 70-80 in SW, and 30-60+ (depending on
the amount of spell stuff going off around me) in 25 man raids with
most settings max (except the ones you can't because of the OpenGL/DX9
limitations), with GTX 260's. Which settings are greyed out? It
should only be like 2 fully greyed, 2 you can only go up to fair or
something. (Sunshafts I believe are full can't do it, liquid is fair,
um shadows is low or fair, and something else, I'd have to log onto
WoW when I get home to check 100%) What driver version are you using?

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Sincerely,

MacNean C. Tyrrell

JontomXire · Post by **JontomXire** » Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:55 am

I'm using nvidia-current for the drivers and nvidia-glx-185 (which appears to be the latest although I did see mention of version 195 somewhere on the internet).

Can you post your xorg.conf, Config.wtf (or at least the relevant parts of it) and anything else that may be useful (glxinfo output?) please. I'd really appreciate it.

Also, do you remember any settings or changes you did after the basic install?

BlackNoxis · Post by **BlackNoxis** » Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:19 am

JontomXire wrote:About a year ago, before Cataclysm, on Kubuntu 10.10 with a 2.1Ghz single or dual core (can't remember) processor with 2Gb, and dual SLI enabled nVidia graphics cards, I managed to get WoW to run "almost" all right (in terms of FPS). It was fine except when things got a bit busy, such as in a 10 man raid boss fight

That machine recently died and I replace the motherboard, the CPU with a quad core 3.3Ghz AMD 64 bit chip, and now have 8Gb of RAM. I have installed Kubuntu 10.04 LTS (the stable release) and finally got OpenGL to work with the nVidia graphics drivers, and WoW now runs like a tortoise. My wife did some dailies and other house-keeping stuff last night, and she said it made her feel sick, especially when flying.

I've checked that glxinfo reports direct rendering as on, I've done the registry hack (it made no difference). I still have to check that I'm not doing software rendering as per http://celettu.wordpress.com/2009/03/25 ... mpositing/. I still have to tweak my SLI setting (currently set to "on" which apparently isn't a valid value) and may try experimenting with some of the other nvidia-xconfig settings.

The thing is that when I ran it previously, I didn't need to do any of these hacks or things.

Does anyone have any other ideas of what the problem might be and what I can try?

---

FYI, the graphics options in the game are mostly grayed out and have messages in red saying things like that there are hardware problems with that option so it's been turned off. It sounds like what a previous poster was talking about. Damn Blizzard!

In other news, I saw a YouTube post with a video where the poster claimed to be able to get 100 FPS on a sandbox server with Cataclysm. His machine spec was nowhere near as good as mine.

Can you tell me on which server do you play ? I want to test it myself with wine 3.29 if it's really working. I think my server's launcher.exe is not letting me connect to the server. When I'm running Wow.exe ori launcher.exe, I'm getting all the start things working, and when I put my pass and user and push the login button, bang! crash.

JontomXire · Post by **JontomXire** » Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:32 am

Earthen Ring for me.

When I run Launcher.exe with my account, which is a member of group "admin", it all works fine. When I logged on my wife last night and ran Launcher.exe, it kept complaining that it couldn't connect to the server to determine if there were updates available. WoW.exe ran fine however.

I did get one crash at one point - not sure when or what though.

Not sure what version of Wine I have.

BlackNoxis · Post by **BlackNoxis** » Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:33 am

JontomXire wrote:Earthen Ring for me.

When I run Launcher.exe with my account, which is a member of group "admin", it all works fine. When I logged on my wife last night and ran Launcher.exe, it kept complaining that it couldn't connect to the server to determine if there were updates available. WoW.exe ran fine however.

I did get one crash at one point - not sure when or what though.

Not sure what version of Wine I have.

Can you wine --version ? or search some files to see infos about the version ?

dardack · Post by **dardack** » Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:54 am

On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:55 AM, JontomXire <[email protected]> wrote:

I'm using nvidia-current for the drivers and nvidia-glx-185 (which appears to be the latest although I did see mention of version 195 somewhere on the internet).

Can you post your xorg.conf, Config.wtf (or at least the relevant parts of it) and anything else that may be useful (glxinfo output?) please. I'd really appreciate it.

Also, do you remember any settings or changes you did after the basic install?

I use the blob From nvidia direct, I don't use the ones provided by
ubuntu. I also use beta drivers. I did nothing except change
Config.wtf to use OpenGL.

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Sincerely,

MacNean C. Tyrrell

tparker · Post by **tparker** » Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:58 pm

On 09/28/2011 10:55 AM, JontomXire wrote:

I'm using nvidia-current for the drivers and nvidia-glx-185 (which appears to be the latest although I did see mention of version 195 somewhere on the internet).

What model nvidia card do you have, those driver numbers seem low but I
think different batches of card models end up with different driver
numbers. My card is a 460 and my driver version is 275.21. That is a
distro installed/updated driver, I think there is a newer one up at the
the nvidia website.

Also, what version of Wine are you using? I saw a nice FPS boost in WoW
when I moved up to 1.3.28.

JontomXire · Post by **JontomXire** » Wed Sep 28, 2011 1:08 pm

@BlackNoxis/tparker:

Wine --version: wine-1.2.2

I checked the software package manager program and I don't see a newer Wine version listed

The graphics drivers are version "NVIDIA 195.36.24" I believe - the "185" in nvidia-glx-185 doesn't seem to match the actual driver version for some reason.

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@dardack:

Thanks for the info. I'd still be interested in seeing what your config files look like. I suspect the drivers I have are the same as your except with a bunch of installation and config steps missed out.

dardack · Post by **dardack** » Wed Sep 28, 2011 1:13 pm

On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 2:08 PM, JontomXire <[email protected]> wrote:

@BlackNoxis/tparker:

Wine --version: wine-1.2.2

I checked the software package manager program and I don't see a newer Wine version listed

The graphics drivers are version "NVIDIA 195.36.24" I believe - the "185" in nvidia-glx-185 doesn't seem to match the actual driver version for some reason.

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@dardack:

Thanks for the info. I'd still be interested in seeing what your config files look like. I suspect the drivers I have are the same as your except with a bunch of installation and config steps missed out.

Na your using Ubuntu's built in packages. I use the drivers direct
from Nvidia, and during install process it says "do you want me to
replace your xorg.conf file with mine basically paraphrasing". Also,
your using the package from ubuntu for wine, upgrade to 1.3.28/29.
You can compile it yourself, or there is a .deb file for it.

195/185 is very old. What is your card? If it's 100/200/300/400/500
def don't use that 195/185.

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Sincerely,

MacNean C. Tyrrell

JontomXire · Post by **JontomXire** » Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:44 am

Off the top of my head, the graphics cards are 7600 GS graphics cards.

On the Kubuntu forum, some people who didn't have my problems getting OpenGL to work say they used some X Updates PPA to get their nVidia drivers packages, and they have version 280 of the drivers.

I also found a website that talked about building the kernel with some special CONFIG options such as AGPGART and stuff. I really don't want to get into building kernels, so I'm hoping that all the CONFIG options listed are already built into my kernel.

I wish I could remember the link to that site - it had some other useful info such as saying yes to all the nVidia install programs options except one - can't remember which one it was now.

dardack · Post by **dardack** » Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:49 am

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 4:44 AM, JontomXire <[email protected]> wrote:

Off the top of my head, the graphics cards are 7600 GS graphics cards.

On the Kubuntu forum, some people who didn't have my problems getting OpenGL to work say they used some X Updates PPA to get their nVidia drivers packages, and they have version 280 of the drivers.

I also found a website that talked about building the kernel with some special CONFIG options such as AGPGART and stuff. I really don't want to get into building kernels, so I'm hoping that all the CONFIG options listed are already built into my kernel.

I wish I could remember the link to that site - it had some other useful info such as saying yes to all the nVidia install programs options except one - can't remember which one it was now.

Oh a 7k series. I'd go to nvidia.com/drivers, just get the binary
direct from them. It's what I do. I've never compiled my own kernel,
so don't know man. Should run fine with the 7k series, albeit with
lower settings, but still.

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Sincerely,

MacNean C. Tyrrell

JontomXire · Post by **JontomXire** » Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:21 am

That's what I'm going to do, after purging all the current nvidia stuff frommy system.

The second thing I'm going to do is download, build and install the latest decent version of Wine.

Thanks for all your advice. It's been really helpful.

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One more question. What with OpenGL support getting dropped from WoW, I was wondering if it was worth trying to use DirectX under Wine. I found a post where this guy actually installed the real thing under Wine and said his game ran fine.

My understanding is that on Windows DirectX is better than OpenGL because it talks more directly to the drivers than OpenGL. So if I install the real deal, will I still get that directness and speed? Or is it still going to translate to OpenGL?

I'm wondering what the effect on the graphics of having everything set to minimum is going to be. I read here that some WoW spell effects won't show up - if they are important ones like Boss AoE in a raid then that could wipe a raid if they aren't visible and I or my wife die as a result. I'm MT for my guild, but my wife mostly plays on that PC and she's mostly OT healer, although sometimes she heals me.

It'll also be a bit poor if the graphics are really shoddy. My PC is brand new self built, same motherboard, CPU, and RAM, but two much newer SLI enabled graphics cards and I have all the graphics set to max and it is so much cooler than I used to get on my old laptop before it died. I don't want to subject my wife to terrible graphics.

Lastly I'm worried that in a few months, Blizz will drop OpenGL support altogether and we'll no longer be able to play like that.

So maybe it's worth trying to get DirectX support working reliably now?

What do you all think?

tparker · Post by **tparker** » Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:01 am

On 09/29/2011 09:21 AM, JontomXire wrote:

I'm wondering what the effect on the graphics of having everything set to minimum is going to be. I read here that some WoW spell effects won't show up

There are several things in the graphics tab to tinker with. You can set
some of the more system intensive things (ground clutter, draw distance,
shading, etc.) to low settings and leave the ones that change spell
effects to mid and be fine in raids.