Ok, I'm a brand new Wine user, but hardly new to Mac or Windows.
Should I install a Windows or Unix antivirus/antispyware?
(tried Avast, it installed but no Avast windows will open)
MacOS 10.6.4
Xcode 3.2.3
XQuartz 2.5.2
WineBottlerCombo 1.1.44 (Wine v1.2)
Antivirus for Mac Wine?
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James McKenzie
Antivirus for Mac Wine?
LambdaEnt wrote:
Antivirus programs for Windows do not function with Wine, yet, to my
knowledge.
James McKenzie
If you are worried about viruses on your Mac, install ClamAV for Mac.Ok, I'm a brand new Wine user, but hardly new to Mac or Windows.
Should I install a Windows or Unix antivirus/antispyware?
(tried Avast, it installed but no Avast windows will open)
MacOS 10.6.4
Xcode 3.2.3
XQuartz 2.5.2
WineBottlerCombo 1.1.44 (Wine v1.2)
Antivirus programs for Windows do not function with Wine, yet, to my
knowledge.
James McKenzie
That's what I get for doing this stuff at 3 AM!
Virus on a Mac? (never mind, that's another topic)
ClamWin does function, and I got it running.
Is there a concern for Unix/Linux viruses? If so, would ClamWin be sufficient?
Overall, what are the real requirements for AntiVirus/AntiSpyware when running WINE on a Mac? I assume there is a need if I am accessing the internet with Windows programs. Under an emulator (VMWare, etc.), I run them without question.
Virus on a Mac? (never mind, that's another topic)
ClamWin does function, and I got it running.
Is there a concern for Unix/Linux viruses? If so, would ClamWin be sufficient?
Overall, what are the real requirements for AntiVirus/AntiSpyware when running WINE on a Mac? I assume there is a need if I am accessing the internet with Windows programs. Under an emulator (VMWare, etc.), I run them without question.
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James McKenzie
Antivirus for Mac Wine?
LambdaEnt wrote:
on MacOSX (there is supposed to be some Windows like code in Boot Camp
and that is all it takes.) So, I would be seriously worried about
viruses and worms.
running viruses, I would really be worried about them first. Yes, worms
do exist for UNIX/Linux but their occurrence is rare but they do tend to
be nasty. The Lion worm was one of these that started out as a joke and
almost ended up bringing down the present Internet.
API/ABI. Most virus scanning software looks for a valid Windows
installation before installing. AVAST does this as well as AVG. They
will NOT install/run on Wine due to this.
I have not worked with anti-spyware on Wine but some folks may want to
share their experiences or you can visit the Applications Database.
James McKenzie
YOUBETCHA. They do exist. Any Intel based harddrive virus may activateThat's what I get for doing this stuff at 3 AM!
Virus on a Mac? (never mind, that's another topic)
on MacOSX (there is supposed to be some Windows like code in Boot Camp
and that is all it takes.) So, I would be seriously worried about
viruses and worms.
Good. I've got to try that here and on my newly minted Linux Thinkpad....ClamWin does function, and I got it running.
Since you are running a version of Windows that is very capable ofIs there a concern for Unix/Linux viruses? If so, would ClamWin be sufficient?
running viruses, I would really be worried about them first. Yes, worms
do exist for UNIX/Linux but their occurrence is rare but they do tend to
be nasty. The Lion worm was one of these that started out as a joke and
almost ended up bringing down the present Internet.
This is very true because you really are running Windows not just theOverall, what are the real requirements for AntiVirus/AntiSpyware when running WINE on a Mac? I assume there is a need if I am accessing the internet with Windows programs. Under an emulator (VMWare, etc.), I run them without question.
API/ABI. Most virus scanning software looks for a valid Windows
installation before installing. AVAST does this as well as AVG. They
will NOT install/run on Wine due to this.
I have not worked with anti-spyware on Wine but some folks may want to
share their experiences or you can visit the Applications Database.
James McKenzie
Ok, all that is wonderful, thank you. You addressed the individual issues, but never really answered the main question. While I sincerely appreciate your input, I would like someone to please address the purpose and focus of this topic. Let me then rephrase it:
What are the realistic requirements/needs for antivirus/antispyware when running WINE on a Mac?
What are the realistic requirements/needs for antivirus/antispyware when running WINE on a Mac?
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Gert van den Berg
Antivirus for Mac Wine?
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 06:18, LambdaEnt <[email protected]> wrote:
against Windows viruses as well...
Wine should be safer (than a full Windows), mostly because it is not
running all the time and Windows security vulnrabilities (application
vulrabilities might affect it though) are unlikely to directly affect
it... (Although Macro viruses, etc still pose the same risks as
Windows if you primarily use say, Office under Wine) Using IE (or
another browser) / Installing random stuff from the internet in Wine
makes it significantly less safe...
Risk might be slightly less than a VM, mostly because several risky
Windows components is not present, such as file and printer sharing.
Gert
Protecting the host OS should work, as long as the antivirus protectsOk, all that is wonderful, thank you. You addressed the individual issues, but never really answered the main question. While I sincerely appreciate your input, I would like someone to please address the purpose and focus of this topic. Let me then rephrase it:
What are the realistic requirements/needs for antivirus/antispyware when running WINE on a Mac?
against Windows viruses as well...
Wine should be safer (than a full Windows), mostly because it is not
running all the time and Windows security vulnrabilities (application
vulrabilities might affect it though) are unlikely to directly affect
it... (Although Macro viruses, etc still pose the same risks as
Windows if you primarily use say, Office under Wine) Using IE (or
another browser) / Installing random stuff from the internet in Wine
makes it significantly less safe...
Risk might be slightly less than a VM, mostly because several risky
Windows components is not present, such as file and printer sharing.
Gert
as for me I use ProteMac NetMine ( www.protemac.com )
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John Drescher
Antivirus for Mac Wine?
As a network admin and a person who has cleaned virus / malwarewouldn't just running a Mac OS X version of Clam be better on your machine... I think trying to run a Windows version of any anti-virus, all the time, would leave a wineserver running all the time and make it more likely of having something bad run.
infections from dozens of windows machines I know that although Clam
protects against viruses but it does not seem to protect against other
malware which seems to be more common these days. With that said I am
not sure I would run a product that prevents against other malware all
the time.
The best protection is the user. In wine that means to avoid all usage
of internet explorer or any other browser under wine unless absolutely
necessary.
John
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James Mckenzie
Antivirus for Mac Wine?
doh123 <[email protected]> wrote:
I agree. Install ClamAV Mac on your system and if you need ClamAVWin on Wine (to catch those nasties introduced through it). However, don't leave Wine running just to run ClamAVWin and think your system is protected, only the Wine portion is and viruses and other nasties can come in by running a Mac based program. That is why I have ClamAVMac on my Mac when my mail client is Thunderbird and my web browser is Firefox. Malware written in bytecode for Firefox will run on a Mac just as easily as it will on a PC (since they both use Intel based processors.)
As to the question: How do I protect Wine? You can do it the way I described above, or you can forgo using IE/Firefox from within Wine. This appears to not be an option for Steam procured games, however. I have no experience with them as I don't have the time to research this at this time.
Just remember to stop Wine when you are done using it to reduce the chances that something bad will happen while you are away doing something else.
James McKenzie
Doh123:Sent: Aug 31, 2010 9:53 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Wine] Re: Antivirus for Mac Wine?
wouldn't just running a Mac OS X version of Clam be better on your machine...
I think trying to run a Windows version of any anti-virus, all the time, would leave a wineserver running all the time and make it more likely of having
something bad run.
I agree. Install ClamAV Mac on your system and if you need ClamAVWin on Wine (to catch those nasties introduced through it). However, don't leave Wine running just to run ClamAVWin and think your system is protected, only the Wine portion is and viruses and other nasties can come in by running a Mac based program. That is why I have ClamAVMac on my Mac when my mail client is Thunderbird and my web browser is Firefox. Malware written in bytecode for Firefox will run on a Mac just as easily as it will on a PC (since they both use Intel based processors.)
As to the question: How do I protect Wine? You can do it the way I described above, or you can forgo using IE/Firefox from within Wine. This appears to not be an option for Steam procured games, however. I have no experience with them as I don't have the time to research this at this time.
Just remember to stop Wine when you are done using it to reduce the chances that something bad will happen while you are away doing something else.
James McKenzie
It is mandatory to use antivirus when you use pc it may be any os you are using it doesnt matter because virus will attack windows but also mac or any other os because when you use pc you may inserting pendrive or you may downloading some files from internet in that ways virus may enter in your pc so it is better to use antivirus which will protect your pc. Bitfinder is most trusted antivirus.
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James McKenzie
Antivirus for Mac Wine?
webadmin wrote:
Take this advice with a grain of salt.
James McKenzie
Troll warning.It is mandatory to use antivirus when you use pc it may be any os you are using it doesnt matter because virus will attack windows but also mac or any other os because when you use pc you may inserting pendrive or you may downloading some files from internet in that ways virus may enter in your pc so it is better to use antivirus which will protect your pc. Bitfinder is most trusted antivirus.
Take this advice with a grain of salt.
James McKenzie
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SpawnHappyJake
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I'll admit I'm not answering the initial question, but it's quite related to this thread.
I read on another forum that MacKeeper actually uses WINE! As in, it has WINE built into it to run parts of it. Kind of like Google Earth bundled in its own WINE to work in Linux. Reminds me of Winebottler.
Anyways, about the whole "can Mac/ Linx get malware?", that mindset melts away after you realize that your FIRMWARE (usually the BIOS or EFI) can get infected. That means you can have a computer without a hard drive, opical drive, floppy diskette, network drive, or tape drive, (or any other storage medium that I left out), let alone an operating system, can be infected. The actual chip on your motherboard can contain malware.
All non-firmware infections are very minor in comparison because you can just nuke your hard drive and it's gone. I would think an infected BIOS might not let you flash it. The you'll need to do a hotswap. If the BIOS chip is soldered to the motherboard that makes hotswapping quite the task.
These infections are very rare, so don't be paranoid.
Cheers,
Jake
I read on another forum that MacKeeper actually uses WINE! As in, it has WINE built into it to run parts of it. Kind of like Google Earth bundled in its own WINE to work in Linux. Reminds me of Winebottler.
Anyways, about the whole "can Mac/ Linx get malware?", that mindset melts away after you realize that your FIRMWARE (usually the BIOS or EFI) can get infected. That means you can have a computer without a hard drive, opical drive, floppy diskette, network drive, or tape drive, (or any other storage medium that I left out), let alone an operating system, can be infected. The actual chip on your motherboard can contain malware.
All non-firmware infections are very minor in comparison because you can just nuke your hard drive and it's gone. I would think an infected BIOS might not let you flash it. The you'll need to do a hotswap. If the BIOS chip is soldered to the motherboard that makes hotswapping quite the task.
These infections are very rare, so don't be paranoid.
Cheers,
Jake
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jjmckenzie
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Antivirus for Mac Wine?
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 11:27 AM, SpawnHappyJake
<[email protected]> wrote:
virus malware. Some of it is pretty nasty and the situation gets
worse if you are running Wine as a privileged user (for MacOSX this
can mean a system administrator.)
For AV software for the Mac, I would use the same thing I use for
Linux, Clam Antivirus (CLAMAV.) There is a gui frontend for Macs and
it is kept up-to-date.
There are threads on this topic that run at length here in the forums.
They might make good reading.
James
<[email protected]> wrote:
There is an answer on the Wine FAQ. Wine can and does run WindowsI'll admit I'm not answering the initial question, but it's quite related to this thread.
virus malware. Some of it is pretty nasty and the situation gets
worse if you are running Wine as a privileged user (for MacOSX this
can mean a system administrator.)
For AV software for the Mac, I would use the same thing I use for
Linux, Clam Antivirus (CLAMAV.) There is a gui frontend for Macs and
it is kept up-to-date.
There are threads on this topic that run at length here in the forums.
They might make good reading.
James
