Developpers vs users

Timeout · Post by **Timeout** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 1:11 am

I think some developers should get at some time down their high horses.

I comment or a question is not meant as degrading their work. It is just a fact seen no more no less, maybe followed by an idiotic question from somebody that may not have had a PHD in Windows API.

Telling the user *you are an idiot*, replace your prefix because it's W2000 also W2000 *had never* been used *vergraut mir genauso die Lust* to write any comment about how it had been noticed.
Slowly but surely, it takes me any interest in posting my findings about an issue or another, and when being abusive, please in English so that any can read that you are *god* and user are depressing you and it they don't stop then you won't help anymore.

Markus Hitter · Post by **Markus Hitter** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 5:11 am

Am 16.03.2008 um 07:11 schrieb Timeout:

I think some developers should get at some time down their high
horses.

Do you have a link or two to which incident(s) you are talking about?

Markus

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Dotan Cohen · Post by **Dotan Cohen** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 5:21 am

On 16/03/2008, Markus Hitter <[email protected]> wrote:

I think some developers should get at some time down their high
horses.
Do you have a link or two to which incident(s) you are talking about?

In other words: [citation needed]

http://xkcd.com/285/

Dotan Cohen

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Timeout · Post by **Timeout** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 5:23 am

I don't want to point the finger at the person who wrote it.
It was on an answer of a bug (not mine) that I received per E-Mail yesterday because of a comment on it.
I think either the writer of the comment in German will find himself or anyway Dan Kegel because he answered in German that the concerned person made a great job in the patch that was offered.

It's better not to put too much oil on the fire.
As far as I concerned I removed as many as my comment from Wine as I could because I don't want to see such reaction again on an automatic reply.

Dotan Cohen · Post by **Dotan Cohen** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 5:38 am

On 16/03/2008, Timeout <[email protected]> wrote:

I don't want to point the finger at the person who wrote it.
It was on an answer of a bug (not mine) that I received per E-Mail yesterday because of a comment on it.
I think either the writer of the comment in German will find himself or anyway Dan Kegel because he answered in German that the concerned person made a great job in the patch that was offered.

It's better not to put too much oil on the fire.
As far as I concerned I removed as many as my comment from Wine as I could because I don't want to see such reaction again on an automatic reply.

The high horse of which you speak is very common in *nix-related
fields, wine included. In fact, I often find that the wine list is
rather forgiving in the sense. I recently posted a dupe bug, and
didn't get my head bitten off like I expected when I discovered that
it was a dupe. Also, I recently asked a RTFM question, and got a good
answer. Of course, I mentioned how I has STFW and could not find the
answer beforehand. A bare _minimum_ of user self-sufficiency should be
encouraged. You should see the garbage that gets asked on the OOo
list. It only happens because the mods tolarate it.

Dotan Cohen

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Timeout · Post by **Timeout** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:57 am

Maybe, but to me it's a lottery.

There are 2 developer's who are biting my head off every time I come with an awkward question of something in their field (one of them got pretty much moderate in this forum under another name). Of course, I don't have the knowledge to explain it. I just throw a statement with the hope that it will be picked as a line of thought and I get my head bitten of. It's getting a risk for me to even mention a problem in a field when the developers had not gotten that far in working on this specific case. That's like questions about the .NET. I got my head bitten off and got the answer about 4 months later when the mainstream got to this point.

I thought it interesting because it was about regsvr, and to me regasm is pretty more the same. If I detail the problem, I am treated as an ignorant. If I just throw a line, I'm treated as an idiot.

Either way, now that my software is getting functional, I am not in a hurry to get an answer and I won't even start about cursor problems in a .NET environment.

Dotan Cohen · Post by **Dotan Cohen** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 8:26 am

On 16/03/2008, Timeout <[email protected]> wrote:

Maybe, but to me it's a lottery.

There are 2 developer's who are biting my head off every time I come with an awkward question of something in their field (one of them got pretty much moderate in this forum under another name). Of course, I don't have the knowledge to explain it. I just throw a statement with the hope that it will be picked as a line of thought and I get my head bitten of. It's getting a risk for me to even mention a problem in a field when the developers had not gotten that far in working on this specific case. That's like questions about the .NET. I got my head bitten off and got the answer about 4 months later when the mainstream got to this point.

I thought it interesting because it was about regsvr, and to me regasm is pretty more the same. If I detail the problem, I am treated as an ignorant. If I just throw a line, I'm treated as an idiot.

Either way, now that my software is getting functional, I am not in a hurry to get an answer and I won't even start about cursor problems in a .NET environment.

Then don't. While I understand where you are coming from,
meta-complaining won't solve your computer problems. And that is the
goal of this list. So long as you google your questions first, and
your comments are constructive (not simply "thsi suxorz") then you'll
find even the local gurus will respect you.

I hope.

Dotan Cohen

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Paul Johnson · Post by **Paul Johnson** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:19 am

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The high horse of which you speak is very common in *nix-related
fields, wine included. In fact, I often find that the wine list is
rather forgiving in the sense. I recently posted a dupe bug, and
didn't get my head bitten off like I expected when I discovered that
it was a dupe. Also, I recently asked a RTFM question, and got a good
answer. Of course, I mentioned how I has STFW and could not find the
answer beforehand. A bare _minimum_ of user self-sufficiency should be
encouraged.

Exactly. ESR's essay on asking smart questions and the applicable man pages
ought to be mandatory minimum reading for any mailing list.
http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

You should see the garbage that gets asked on the OOo
list. It only happens because the mods tolarate it.

This is a big reason why I'm massively against dumbing down the list to cater
to people who can't be bothered to make an attempt at answering thier own
question.

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vitamin · Post by **vitamin** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:22 am

Bashing developers won't get you anywhere.