Developpers vs users
Developpers vs users
I think some developers should get at some time down their high horses.
I comment or a question is not meant as degrading their work. It is just a fact seen no more no less, maybe followed by an idiotic question from somebody that may not have had a PHD in Windows API.
Telling the user *you are an idiot*, replace your prefix because it's W2000 also W2000 *had never* been used *vergraut mir genauso die Lust* to write any comment about how it had been noticed.
Slowly but surely, it takes me any interest in posting my findings about an issue or another, and when being abusive, please in English so that any can read that you are *god* and user are depressing you and it they don't stop then you won't help anymore.
I comment or a question is not meant as degrading their work. It is just a fact seen no more no less, maybe followed by an idiotic question from somebody that may not have had a PHD in Windows API.
Telling the user *you are an idiot*, replace your prefix because it's W2000 also W2000 *had never* been used *vergraut mir genauso die Lust* to write any comment about how it had been noticed.
Slowly but surely, it takes me any interest in posting my findings about an issue or another, and when being abusive, please in English so that any can read that you are *god* and user are depressing you and it they don't stop then you won't help anymore.
Developpers vs users
Am 16.03.2008 um 07:11 schrieb Timeout:
Markus
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Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter
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Do you have a link or two to which incident(s) you are talking about?I think some developers should get at some time down their high
horses.
Markus
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Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter
http://www.jump-ing.de/
Developpers vs users
On 16/03/2008, Markus Hitter <[email protected]> wrote:
http://xkcd.com/285/
Dotan Cohen
http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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In other words: [citation needed]Do you have a link or two to which incident(s) you are talking about?I think some developers should get at some time down their high
horses.
http://xkcd.com/285/
Dotan Cohen
http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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I don't want to point the finger at the person who wrote it.
It was on an answer of a bug (not mine) that I received per E-Mail yesterday because of a comment on it.
I think either the writer of the comment in German will find himself or anyway Dan Kegel because he answered in German that the concerned person made a great job in the patch that was offered.
It's better not to put too much oil on the fire.
As far as I concerned I removed as many as my comment from Wine as I could because I don't want to see such reaction again on an automatic reply.
It was on an answer of a bug (not mine) that I received per E-Mail yesterday because of a comment on it.
I think either the writer of the comment in German will find himself or anyway Dan Kegel because he answered in German that the concerned person made a great job in the patch that was offered.
It's better not to put too much oil on the fire.
As far as I concerned I removed as many as my comment from Wine as I could because I don't want to see such reaction again on an automatic reply.
Developpers vs users
On 16/03/2008, Timeout <[email protected]> wrote:
fields, wine included. In fact, I often find that the wine list is
rather forgiving in the sense. I recently posted a dupe bug, and
didn't get my head bitten off like I expected when I discovered that
it was a dupe. Also, I recently asked a RTFM question, and got a good
answer. Of course, I mentioned how I has STFW and could not find the
answer beforehand. A bare _minimum_ of user self-sufficiency should be
encouraged. You should see the garbage that gets asked on the OOo
list. It only happens because the mods tolarate it.
Dotan Cohen
http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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The high horse of which you speak is very common in *nix-relatedI don't want to point the finger at the person who wrote it.
It was on an answer of a bug (not mine) that I received per E-Mail yesterday because of a comment on it.
I think either the writer of the comment in German will find himself or anyway Dan Kegel because he answered in German that the concerned person made a great job in the patch that was offered.
It's better not to put too much oil on the fire.
As far as I concerned I removed as many as my comment from Wine as I could because I don't want to see such reaction again on an automatic reply.
fields, wine included. In fact, I often find that the wine list is
rather forgiving in the sense. I recently posted a dupe bug, and
didn't get my head bitten off like I expected when I discovered that
it was a dupe. Also, I recently asked a RTFM question, and got a good
answer. Of course, I mentioned how I has STFW and could not find the
answer beforehand. A bare _minimum_ of user self-sufficiency should be
encouraged. You should see the garbage that gets asked on the OOo
list. It only happens because the mods tolarate it.
Dotan Cohen
http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
×
Maybe, but to me it's a lottery.
There are 2 developer's who are biting my head off every time I come with an awkward question of something in their field (one of them got pretty much moderate in this forum under another name). Of course, I don't have the knowledge to explain it. I just throw a statement with the hope that it will be picked as a line of thought and I get my head bitten of. It's getting a risk for me to even mention a problem in a field when the developers had not gotten that far in working on this specific case. That's like questions about the .NET. I got my head bitten off and got the answer about 4 months later when the mainstream got to this point.
I thought it interesting because it was about regsvr, and to me regasm is pretty more the same. If I detail the problem, I am treated as an ignorant. If I just throw a line, I'm treated as an idiot.
Either way, now that my software is getting functional, I am not in a hurry to get an answer and I won't even start about cursor problems in a .NET environment.
There are 2 developer's who are biting my head off every time I come with an awkward question of something in their field (one of them got pretty much moderate in this forum under another name). Of course, I don't have the knowledge to explain it. I just throw a statement with the hope that it will be picked as a line of thought and I get my head bitten of. It's getting a risk for me to even mention a problem in a field when the developers had not gotten that far in working on this specific case. That's like questions about the .NET. I got my head bitten off and got the answer about 4 months later when the mainstream got to this point.
I thought it interesting because it was about regsvr, and to me regasm is pretty more the same. If I detail the problem, I am treated as an ignorant. If I just throw a line, I'm treated as an idiot.
Either way, now that my software is getting functional, I am not in a hurry to get an answer and I won't even start about cursor problems in a .NET environment.
Developpers vs users
On 16/03/2008, Timeout <[email protected]> wrote:
meta-complaining won't solve your computer problems. And that is the
goal of this list. So long as you google your questions first, and
your comments are constructive (not simply "thsi suxorz") then you'll
find even the local gurus will respect you.
I hope.
Dotan Cohen
http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
×
Then don't. While I understand where you are coming from,Maybe, but to me it's a lottery.
There are 2 developer's who are biting my head off every time I come with an awkward question of something in their field (one of them got pretty much moderate in this forum under another name). Of course, I don't have the knowledge to explain it. I just throw a statement with the hope that it will be picked as a line of thought and I get my head bitten of. It's getting a risk for me to even mention a problem in a field when the developers had not gotten that far in working on this specific case. That's like questions about the .NET. I got my head bitten off and got the answer about 4 months later when the mainstream got to this point.
I thought it interesting because it was about regsvr, and to me regasm is pretty more the same. If I detail the problem, I am treated as an ignorant. If I just throw a line, I'm treated as an idiot.
Either way, now that my software is getting functional, I am not in a hurry to get an answer and I won't even start about cursor problems in a .NET environment.
meta-complaining won't solve your computer problems. And that is the
goal of this list. So long as you google your questions first, and
your comments are constructive (not simply "thsi suxorz") then you'll
find even the local gurus will respect you.
I hope.
Dotan Cohen
http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
×
Developpers vs users
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On Sunday 16 March 2008 03:37:41 am Dotan Cohen wrote:
ought to be mandatory minimum reading for any mailing list.
http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
to people who can't be bothered to make an attempt at answering thier own
question.
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On Sunday 16 March 2008 03:37:41 am Dotan Cohen wrote:
Exactly. ESR's essay on asking smart questions and the applicable man pagesThe high horse of which you speak is very common in *nix-related
fields, wine included. In fact, I often find that the wine list is
rather forgiving in the sense. I recently posted a dupe bug, and
didn't get my head bitten off like I expected when I discovered that
it was a dupe. Also, I recently asked a RTFM question, and got a good
answer. Of course, I mentioned how I has STFW and could not find the
answer beforehand. A bare _minimum_ of user self-sufficiency should be
encouraged.
ought to be mandatory minimum reading for any mailing list.
http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
This is a big reason why I'm massively against dumbing down the list to caterYou should see the garbage that gets asked on the OOo
list. It only happens because the mods tolarate it.
to people who can't be bothered to make an attempt at answering thier own
question.
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Paul Johnson
[email protected]
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