6 different games share 3 different bugs

granamachine · Post by **granamachine** » Mon May 03, 2010 10:27 am

Here is the situation. There are six different soccer games, developed by Konami, all straight ports from Playstation 2. These are the following:

Pro Evolution Soccer 4 (PES4)
Winning Eleven 8 (american version of PES4)
Pro Evolution Soccer 5 (PES5)
Winning Eleven 9 (american version of PES5)
Pro Evolution Soccer 6 (PES6)
Winning Eleven 2007 (american version of PES6)

At least five out of these six games share 3 different bugs:

A- Their installation hangs at the end (but it completes successfuly anyways).
B- They crash at startup if resolution is set higher than 640x480.
C- They crash at startup if audio is enabled in Wine settings.

Winning Eleven 2007 doesn't have an entry in AppDB, but since it's just the american counterpart of PES6, I assume it suffers from the same issues. Bug "A" isn't even reported at Wine Bugzilla, I will report it soon. Bugs "B" and "C" are loosely reported as generic startup crash bugs (see 9001 and 9121). They have mixed reports from both the audio and resolution crashes. They even have reports of an old mid-game crash bug that is now fixed.

So what should I do about those two bugs? I think of 3 possible solutions:

1- Somehow dump bugs 9001 and 9121 (since they are rather old and lead to confusion) and replace them with two new bugs called "Game crashes when audio is enabled" and "Game crashes when resolution is set higher than 640x480".

2- Mark one bug as duplicate of the other, and create a new one, assigning to each one the audio and resolution issues, respectively.

3- Somehow manage to rename those bugs to "Game crashes when audio is enabled" and "Game crashes when resolution is set higher than 640x480" indistinctly.

Download links to get demos of some of these games, if you want to give them a try:
Pro Evolution Soccer 4 demo
Pro Evolution Soccer 5 demo
Pro Evolution Soccer 6 demo
Winning Eleven 8 demo

Thanks in advance and sorry about my english.

John Drescher · Post by **John Drescher** » Mon May 03, 2010 10:35 am

On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 11:27 AM, granamachine <[email protected]> wrote:

Here is the situation. There are six different soccer games, developed by Konami, all straight ports from Playstation 2. These are the following:

Pro Evolution Soccer 4 (http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.p ... n&iId=2750) (PES4)
Winning Eleven 8 (http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.p ... n&iId=5152) (american version of PES4)
Pro Evolution Soccer 5 (http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.p ... n&iId=3056) (PES5)
Winning Eleven 9 (http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.p ... &iId=11439) (american version of PES5)
Pro Evolution Soccer 6 (http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.p ... n&iId=4103) (PES6)
Winning Eleven 2007 (american version of PES6)

At least five out of these six games share 3 different bugs:

A- Their installation hangs at the end (but it completes successfuly anyways).
B- They crash at startup if resolution is set higher than 640x480.
C- They crash at startup if audio is enabled in Wine settings.

Winning Eleven 2007 doesn't have an entry in AppDB, but since it's just the american counterpart of PES6, I assume it suffers from the same issues. Bug "A" isn't even reported at Wine Bugzilla, I will report it soon. Bugs "B" and "C" are loosely reported as generic startup crash bugs (see 9001 (http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9001) and 9121 (http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9121)). They have mixed reports from both the audio and resolution crashes. They even have reports of an old mid-game crash bug that is now fixed.

So what should I do about those two bugs? I think of 3 possible solutions:

1- Somehow dump bugs 9001 and 9121 (since they are rather old and lead to confusion) and replace them with two new bugs called "Game crashes when audio is enabled" and "Game crashes when resolution is set higher than 640x480".

2- Mark one bug as duplicate of the other, and create a new one, assigning to each one the audio and resolution issues, respectively.

3- Somehow manage to rename those bugs to "Game crashes when audio is enabled" and "Game crashes when resolution is set higher than 640x480" indistinctly.

Download links to get demos of some of these games, if you want to give them a try:
Pro Evolution Soccer 4 demo (http://download.cnet.com/Pro-Evolution- ... 38868.html)
Pro Evolution Soccer 5 demo (http://dl.konami-europe.net/pes5demo_no_VO.exe)
Pro Evolution Soccer 6 demo (http://download.cnet.com/Pro-Evolution- ... 01006.html)
Winning Eleven 8 demo (http://www.download.com/World-Soccer-Wi ... 61475.html)

Thanks in advance and sorry about my english.

I would open a thread for each providing proper terminal output.

http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#head-13df66c ... 1479c880f5

John

Post by **dimesio** » Mon May 03, 2010 10:56 am

granamachine wrote:So what should I do about those two bugs.

If you think the two bugs are duplicates, post a comment to that effect in each of them. Someone with the proper bugzilla permissions will make the changes if they agree.

granamachine · Post by **granamachine** » Mon May 03, 2010 11:14 am

dimesio wrote:If you think the two bugs are duplicates, post a comment to that effect in each of them. Someone with the proper bugzilla permissions will make the changes if they agree.

Maybe they are duplicates, however, they do not refer to one specific bug (the audio or resolution crashes). They are confusing, that's why I'm concerned and doubtful about what to do.

The people who originally reported those bugs just installed the game, see them crash, and then filled out the bug report form. They didn't bothered to see what was really happening, what was causing the games to crash.

Post by **dimesio** » Mon May 03, 2010 11:45 am

granamachine wrote: Maybe they are duplicates, however, they do not refer to one specific bug (the audio or resolution crashes). They are confusing, that's why I'm concerned and doubtful about what to do.

If you're not the bug owner or a bugzilla admin, you don't have the power to close or rename the bugs yourself. If you have information about the bugs that will help, add it to the bug reports.

granamachine · Post by **granamachine** » Mon May 03, 2010 12:02 pm

dimesio wrote:If you're not the bug owner or a bugzilla admin, you don't have the power to close or rename the bugs yourself. If you have information about the bugs that will help, add it to the bug reports.

You're right, but since I'm the super maintainer of all these games, I can delete the bugs from all versions. So, they will then be orphans, and I can ask to be marked as INVALID or WONTFIX, according to this:
http://bugs.winehq.org/page.cgi?id=fields.html

I also can ask simply to rename them, but I don't know if it that would work.

John Drescher · Post by **John Drescher** » Mon May 03, 2010 12:19 pm

2- Mark one bug as duplicate of the other, and create a new one, assigning to each one the audio and resolution issues, respectively.

I would pick 2 however you most likely do not have permissions to do that.

Also since both of these are many years old do they still exist in
current versions of wine? Maybe they can be closed as fixed.

John

Post by **dimesio** » Mon May 03, 2010 3:08 pm

granamachine wrote:You're right, but since I'm the super maintainer of all these games, I can delete the bugs from all versions. So, they will then be orphans, and I can ask to be marked as INVALID or WONTFIX, according to this:
http://bugs.winehq.org/page.cgi?id=fields.html

I also can ask simply to rename them, but I don't know if it that would work.

I don't know where you got the idea that deleting the bug link means the bug is either invalid or wontfix; the page you linked to says no such thing. A bug doesn't have to be linked to an AppDB entry to be valid.

If you want to be useful, add comments to both bug reports verifying that they still exist, and attach a console log from current Wine. If you really think they are duplicates, say that in a comment.

granamachine · Post by **granamachine** » Tue May 04, 2010 9:10 am

dimesio wrote:I don't know where you got the idea that deleting the bug link means the bug is either invalid or wontfix; the page you linked to says no such thing. A bug doesn't have to be linked to an AppDB entry to be valid.

I'm not saying that, it's just what I would suggest to bugs owners or bugzilla admins. This is what I interpreted from that page:

INVALID
The problem described is not a bug.
Each one of those bug reports contains logs for (at least) three different crashes, one of them is already solved. So, maybe, the problem described isn't specifically a bug.

WONTFIX
The problem described is a bug which will never be fixed.
The bug reports are so messed up that the bugs described will never be fixed. In fact, they are almost three years old.

dimesio wrote:If you want to be useful, add comments to both bug reports verifying that they still exist, and attach a console log from current Wine. If you really think they are duplicates, say that in a comment.

What I do not want to do is add more confusion. If they are duplicates, it is because they describe poorly and generically a bug (game crashes), when in fact there are two different bugs (game crashes when audio is enabled and/or when resolution is set higher than 640x480).

Post by **dimesio** » Tue May 04, 2010 9:21 am

granamachine wrote:, when in fact there are two different bugs (game crashes when audio is enabled and/or when resolution is set higher than 640x480).

So add comments to the bug reports stating this. You should also point out that the one game is just the American version of the other, since this is not apparent from the bug reports.